Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:20:21 +0100 From: Chris Rees <crees@FreeBSD.org> To: "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Cc: Current FreeBSD <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Ports FreeBSD <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: WAS: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? New: port annoyance LibreOffice Message-ID: <CADLo838zgtG2GXhyYaR1PnHk2-_RtXeGisOyW=AgRMLJy-=Fww@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD4D4F6.9090805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <CAOgwaMvsv3e1TxDauV038Pp7LRiYeH7oAODE%2Bw-pxHt9oGrXMA@mail.gmail.com> <20120604110339.GA9426@equilibrium.bsdes.net> <CAOjkAUe0_U==vjQGO77sQy=4JJ_e_ypoGpVbf1Mg62ttXATJYw@mail.gmail.com> <4FD2D4CC.3080109@ateamsystems.com> <4FD3003C.4080109@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4FD352FF.9090101@ateamsystems.com> <4FD357F2.9090901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4FD35905.9080500@ateamsystems.com> <20120610121210.3ce1bd9d@zelda.sugioarto.com> <CADLo838gS7L=Sy9Giow1gYMtM2n4NnoHJWm8p3ZCvi6CZbMWhg@mail.gmail.com> <20120610165455.1c59e8ae@zelda.sugioarto.com> <4FD4C0AC.4000802@yahoo.com> <4FD4D4F6.9090805@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
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On 10 June 2012 18:10, O. Hartmann <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > On 06/10/12 17:43, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: >> On 06/10/12 09:54, Martin Sugioarto wrote: >>> Am Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:37:09 +0100 >>> schrieb Chris Rees<crees@FreeBSD.org>: >>> >>>> Er... people always test their commits. =A0Sometimes edge cases will >>>> creep in, such as the libreoffice failure which was due to different >>>> configurations, but to suggest that the commit wasn't tested is quite >>>> frankly insulting-- it built on a clean system perfectly well. >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't mean to insult anyone. As I have already told, I am really >>> thankful that people invest their precious time into updating the ports >>> collection. >>> >>> Whatever "clean system" means. It is surely not the default case that >>> someone has got a freshly installed set of ports. >>> >>> Among all the default problems with ports, libreoffice[1] adds to the >>> group of annoyances[2] at the moment. I don't know when I have seen >>> "portmaster -ad" run through successfully last time. I need more and >>> more "-x" options to exclude ports which fail to build. >>> >>> [1] german/libreoffice and libreoffice fails all the time in >>> (LOCALIZED_LANG is set to "de"): >>> >>> Module 'lingucomponent' delivered successfully. 12 files copied, 2 >>> files unchanged >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Oh dear - something failed during the build - sorry = ! >>> =A0 =A0For more help with debugging build errors, please see the sectio= n in: >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Developme= nt >>> >>> =A0 =A0internal build errors: >>> >>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while >>> making >>> /usr/workdir-ports/usr/ports/editors/libreoffice/work/libreoffice-core-= 3.5.2.2/vcl/prj >>> >>> >>> =A0 it seems that the error is inside 'vcl', please re-run build >>> =A0 inside this module to isolate the error and/or test your fix: >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> Whatever this tries to tell me. I don't get it. This is a completely >>> useless error message for me. > > Not even in german/libreoffice. i try to build the standard version and > I receive the same error. > > I can fix this by doing what the buildsystem suggests, but then I have a > stop in sfx2 and others and it ends up in some module called tail_XXXX, > where the build never ends when performing the repair as suggested. I > had once a box running all the night looping building in this folder. > >>> >>> [2] The default annoyances are for example: >>> >>> - After updating perl, php or whatever, it makes sense to enforce >>> =A0 =A0updating the modules that belong to these ports. I've seen 100x = the >>> =A0 =A0same message that p5-XML-Parser does not work and know what it m= eans, >>> =A0 =A0but this should be resolved by the port system. I mean, when you >>> =A0 =A0update perl, the perl modules won't work anymore. This is totall= y >>> =A0 =A0clear and it makes sense to update them first before going on. > > I can confirm that. I fixed that for me by "portmaster p5-" in case > p5-SAX-XXX failed. There's an UPDATING message written for that very purpose. >>> >>> - When specifying WITHOUT_X11 the ports should respect this and not try >>> =A0 =A0to pull in the X11 variants of ports. I regularly see some ports >>> =A0 =A0pulling ImageMagick instead of the already installed >>> =A0 =A0ImageMagick-nox11. I still do not fully understand what is going= on >>> =A0 =A0with WITHOUT_GNOME, but I'll try to figure it out later. But I a= m >>> =A0 =A0quite sure that some ports pull in unneeded Gnome dependencies. >>> >>> - Ports are being marked as interactive and stop the update process. Th= e >>> =A0 =A0idea behind portmaster was (earlier) to avoid interactive buildi= ng of >>> =A0 =A0ports and ask all the needed questions, before the builds start.= I >>> =A0 =A0mean, earlier, I could get out and enjoy some coffee outdoors, n= ow I >>> =A0 =A0have to sit at the keyboard. This is unacceptable! ;) > > "portmaster" does even more damage. Sometimed a port reels in some newly > updates, a port gets deleted. if on of the to be updated prerquisits > fail, the port in question isn't there anymore. > > "portmaster" fails quite often in "oberwriting" remnant files. If a port > gets corrupted by accident, like graphics/netpbm, One need to delete all > binaries manually from /usr/local/bin, otherwise the installation fails. > > Somehow I wish to have a "brute force" knob to overwrite everything in a > brutal way. FORCE_PKG_REGISTER. >>> >>> - It would be nice to have a mechanism that tells you that your perl, >>> =A0 =A0mysql or whatever is not the default version anymore and you sho= uld >>> =A0 =A0consider updating to the default (and recommended) port. >>> >>> >>> Martin >> >> From /etc/defaults/periodic.conf: >> >> # 400.status-pkg >> weekly_status_pkg_enable=3D"YES" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# Find o= ut-of-date pkgs >> pkg_version=3Dpkg_version =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 # Use this program >> pkg_version_index=3D/usr/ports/INDEX-9 =A0 =A0 =A0# Use this index file >> >> There's an override script in ports-mgmt/portupgrade that uses it's >> database, also. >> >
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