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Date:      Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:41:35 +0300
From:      Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
To:        Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        'freebsd-arch' <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Retiring in-tree GDB
Message-ID:  <20151020224135.GJ42243@zxy.spb.ru>
In-Reply-To: <5626C012.5050009@FreeBSD.org>
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 03:28:34PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote:

> On 10/20/2015 3:27 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 03:14:14PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote:
> > 
> >> On 10/20/2015 2:50 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 02:25:48PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/20/2015 1:36 PM, John Baldwin wrote:
> >>>>> However, I would like to propose that we retire the in-tree GDB for some of
> >>>>> our platforms (namely x86) for 11.  In particular, I think we should default
> >>>>
> >>>> Disabling/removing gdb. Definitely. It is unusable in many cases and the
> >>>> working gdb is just a 'pkg install' away.
> >>>>
> >>>>> to enabling lldb and disabling gdb for platforms that meet the following
> >>>>
> >>>> Why should we include lldb in the base system? It is not needed to build
> >>>> or use the system and we can easily provide one from packages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Arguments about providing a default working system don't work here for
> >>>> me as we don't provide perl, python, valgrind, vim, emacs, X11, etc.  We
> >>>> can provide lldb and gdb on the default DVD though.
> >>>>
> >>>> If we are actually going to "package base" in 11, we should not be
> >>>> adding new things into base that can easily live in ports. Yes, I know
> >>>> lldb is already there but I don't think it should be.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can the same be said for tools such as truss, ktrace or nvi? Sure. The
> >>>> discussion is really "what packages should be installed by default".
> >>>> The answer should be "what all, or most, users _need_" Do most users
> >>>> need a debugger? I don't think so.
> >>>
> >>> When you need debuger you may don't have way to install it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How did you get a system?
> >>
> >> DVD? 'pkg add /mnt/cd/packages/gdb.txz'
> >> Network? 'pkg install gdb'
> >>
> >> Fetching the packages to a USB drive from another system works too using
> >> 'pkg fetch -o'.
> > 
> > You talk about healty system.
> > System may be semi-broken and need some assistance to r/w mount, for
> > example.
> > 
> 
> How does that relate to gdb?

gdb related to kgdb? or kgdb is independed?
I am some time use kgdb for change some kernel variables, don't
controled by sysctl at that time.

> I can only read your example as suggesting we need a /rescue/gdb too.

I am don't break system to this state, but may be /rescue/gdb will be good.



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