From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Tue Mar 6 02:05:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FF0F4179E for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 02:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06CEB7A5C1; Tue, 6 Mar 2018 02:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCC5F130A; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:05:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:05:15 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: Bryan Drewery , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, deb@freebsdfoundation.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem Message-ID: <20180306020515.GA4294@lonesome.com> References: <55739682-e3d2-52fd-15a5-f89d16e2dcde@FreeBSD.org> <201803052247.w25Mkx7l031572@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201803052247.w25Mkx7l031572@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 02:05:20 -0000 On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 11:46:59PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommited > for years destroys incentive to file more fixes. I do not know anyone who disagrees with this. The issue is how to get people involved with this utterly thankless task. And, even if the backlog were to suddenly disappear, we still get more PRs per day than we can effectively handle. One person is not going to be enough to fix this -- and I know, because in the past, I've tried being that one person. > If so, it would be nice if FreeBSD Foundation got a refund for CoC > & spent it on a a student janitor to clear up years old send-pr's. There is a false equivalence here, that time spent on the CoC somehow took time away from working on PRs. I don't detect much overlap between the people that work on the one, vs. the other. mcl