From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 8 03:24:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811837B401; Thu, 8 May 2003 03:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hannibal.servitor.co.uk (hannibal.servitor.co.uk [195.188.15.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7C243FCB; Thu, 8 May 2003 03:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@hannibal.servitor.co.uk) Received: from paul by hannibal.servitor.co.uk with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Dia0-0005gk-IC; Thu, 08 May 2003 11:24:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:24:48 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Terry Lambert Message-ID: <20030508102448.GB35559@iconoplex.co.uk> References: <20030506121650.K51947@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <3EB8A4AF.B6B02E5B@mindspring.com> <20030507110515.GH11502@iconoplex.co.uk> <3EB9ECC9.CAD7B631@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EB9ECC9.CAD7B631@mindspring.com> Sender: Paul Robinson cc: Doug Barton cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Senator Santorum X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:24:54 -0000 On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 10:36:09PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > No. Because it would be alienating a right which is inalienable. > There are people who pretend at it, though... It's only inalienable if you believe that to be the case. If you can be tricked into thinking you now belong to somebody, then it's game over for you. That's how slavery works. > "As an adult, you should be allowed to do with your > own person and property whatever you choose, as long > as you don't harm the person or property of another". Have no quibble with that, except some people don't mind being harmed and therefore you would have to extend the definition for consensual sex to cover various fetishes, particularly bondage, domination and S&M activities. > U.S. Senators are well known for believing Americans should > not be permitted to do anything without a license from U.S. > Senators or their duly appointed flunkies. Hence the siezure > of the U.S. Internstate Highway system by the federal government > in 1956, and the ensuing "Driver's License Compact", and the > need for a drivers license to drive. I was specifically thinking about the right to do anything they want like pollute the rest of the planet and specifically avoid any enviromental legislation that might involve putting up the cost of gas, invade soverign states without provocation, dictate acceptable faith/religion in foreign states, steal anything they want, etc., etc. - in other words act as badly as Britain did in the 19th century causing somewhere close to a 100 years of misery, death, war and general hatred on a world-wide scale. But like I said, I didn't want to turn this into an anti-US flamefest. Instead, let's all just agree that the entire US political system is corrupt and full of people who unwittingly want all US citizens to be condemned to misery. -- Paul Robinson