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[77.37.180.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2adb3069b0e04-553ac1e77e6sm1196766e87.210.2025.06.15.07.00.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 15 Jun 2025 07:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 17:00:36 +0300 From: Vadim Goncharov To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: Mark Millard , tomek@edro.info, freebsd-hackers , jgopensource@proton.me Subject: Re: A modern programming language for FreeBSD: Swift Message-ID: <20250615170036.7e3af21c@nuclight.lan> In-Reply-To: References: <0B3DA0EC-1FB6-4C4F-B6D6-BB35BF06D49C.ref@yahoo.com> <0B3DA0EC-1FB6-4C4F-B6D6-BB35BF06D49C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.21.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.4) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bKvt7104Xz3LKT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:07:26 +0200 Tomek CEDRO wrote: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 6:30=E2=80=AFAM Mark Millard = wrote: > > Tomek CEDRO wote on > > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 01:29:37 UTC : =20 > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 11:26=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wrote: =20 > > > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 3:07=E2=80=AFPM Jordan Gordeev > > > > wrote: =20 > > > > > The FreeBSD project can leap into the future by choosing a modern > > > > > programming language to replace C, or continue living in the past, > > > > > hoping that the rest of the world will do the same. (..) =20 > > > > > > > > If you want to resurrect a Swift port from the past to the future y= ou > > > > are welcome: > > > > > > > > https://www.freshports.org/lang/swift/ =20 > > > > > > Update, I just saw Greg Wallace posted about official Swift 6.2 > > > support on FreeBSD :-) > > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/245/?time=3D1403 > > > > > > Swift 6.2 now officially supports FreeBSD and WebAssembly (Wasm), > > > enabling you to build client and server applications for browsers and > > > other runtimes. The Wasm support, which started as a community > > > project, allows you to compile Swift code and run it in the browser, > > > as demonstrated by a 3D rendering app using WebGPU and JavaScriptKit. > > > Swift's safety, ease of use, and performance make it an attractive > > > choice throughout the software stack. > > > > > > So Swift is back again on FreeBSD :-) And its matter of choice not > > > replacement :-) =20 > > > > [Do not take this as suggesting involvement in replacing C.] =20 >=20 > Thanks Mark, looks like this was a troll post, but needs a response > :-) I have zero interest in Swift myself. just got allergic to this > kind of preaching "you should replace C with XYZ because > whatever_reason". This is marxism ("you must destroy to build"), This shit has nothing to do with marxism. At best, this is infantilism... > brings only destruction to whatever still works, wrecks years of hard > work, brings no working alternative/fallback (look at Xorg too), and > should be dispraised right from start. If anyone wants XYZ based OS go > ahead make one, just leave working stuff alone, people should have a > choice :-) ...and at worst, this is deliberate "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" damage for commercial interests (vendor-locking/monopoly), like the Red Hat did with systemd and now doing with Wayland/Xorg. --=20 WBR, @nuclight