From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 14 20:15:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FBC106566C for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdf356@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A478FC12 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl11 with SMTP id l11so1987029yen.13 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:15:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3BiRwEoGSoWGLQXkaNSiwTZ0vQwO3P7BlM2sYKvFJWU=; b=ffTAmntD28pdgbTHzWoaR8P63ecJyyvYyMUd2f6EJ16TWZoKh/uQ4NJMwVUTvo2+Zm rzA1VG0QKCk0Boh1eGbQJECsQUESXms+iQ879cRga40fIysKntFXP+hSEzIs0kxj0Pfa DPvr4VeqmhnGmjeCsZZFE2zz1eM40QJYIN/LU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.28.66 with SMTP id z2mr16029578pbg.8.1321300425094; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:53:45 -0800 (PST) Sender: mdf356@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.56.97 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:53:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201111140101.pAE11XEa067064@mail.karels.net> <201111140802.13355.jhb@freebsd.org> <20111114193434.GC2164@hoeg.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:53:45 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _TZiJdT-q-tfxDgOn-CWZaPQxUY Message-ID: From: mdf@FreeBSD.org To: Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Ed Schouten , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The strangeness called `sbin' X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:15:59 -0000 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I honestly think we have _much bigger_ things to try and fix before we > worry about the layout of binaries in the directory hierarchy. > > Once we've sorted out things like virtualisation hooks for the > installer and management, better package management and upgrade paths, > module/kernel build sync, cross-compiled ports, non-root installation > methods, etc, etc.. I think then we could look at this kind of thing. Except that Ed isn't volunteering to work on those; they don't scratch his itch. My personal and vendor perspective is that mostly I don't care where the utilities are. I'm not a sysadmin so I can't comment on that aspect of it. However, if we are voting, I'm cautiously in favor of Ed's proposal, simply because I like change that makes things simpler, regardless of the costs involved in a switch. Cheers, matthew