From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 4 9: 6:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B3837B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA3D43E7B for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:06:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.115] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A8AD6AD80254; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:04:45 -0600 Message-ID: <01f801c28424$06be5060$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: Re: Why use a daemon as a symbol since it alienates many.... Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:01:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org f. johan beisser prophesied: >>On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Lefteris Tsintjelis wrote: >> Maybe they should, maybe they should not use some therapist. The >> point is that this is the majority of them and yes maybe Windblows is >> the real evil thing, still, the fact _IS_ that it is used to more than >> 90% of the PCs worldwide. FreeBSD, or even the most other well known OS, >> linux, _ARE NOT_. According to you and me they may need therapy, BUT >> that is the majority of them and according to them we maybe the ones >> that we could use some therapy. >i don't think most computer using christians will be offended by the BSD >mascot. if they are, i'm sure they'd have problems with computers anyway. While Johan's entire statement here isn't entirely worthy of trust, he 's right in that a Christian shouldn't necessarily be offended by the mascot. This brings up a most interesting point, and one that has certainly been demonstrated amply in this thread, to wit: Most 'orthodox' Christians (in the US, at least) don't use the 'computer' God gave them very well --- the lack of thinking before speaking and forming opinion/convictions has been instrumental in leading us toward the sorry status of Christendom now apparent in the world. When I first considered using FreeBSD, I had momentary misgivings about the mascot. I am not only a committed Christian, but I had been in church since the Sunday after I was born, and though ($AttendChurch!=$BeingAChristian) there are a few strongly held 'cultural' associations that tended to raise my blood pressure, or the hackles on my neck (whatever those are) just a bit. I searched for, and fairly quickly found an explanation, as well as a compu-historical reference for the term 'daemon,' and I found humor in the obvious pun, which is one of the best reasons for the mascot's existence. (I wonder if the OP has raised this issue with Net- or Open- hmmmm). A little thought and a tad of reading went a long way in allaying any doubt about something so trivial as a cartoon 'beastie.' I would suggest that the very real being referred to by the koine Greek New Testament as "apollyon" (among many other terms) bears little visual resemblance (or much other resemblance) to the FreeBSD mascot, and it would actually be better for Christians if we realized that. It seems likely that growth in FreeBSD comes from people who are searching for the features and characteristics that make it a great OS, and not on the basis of marketing. Until some big corporation decides that FBSD is it's ticket to the Big Time(tm) the marketing power of the 'mascot' and the term 'daemon' will have little effect on its popularity. I doubt that I see the 'beastie' more than once/twice a month, and then only when I load up the main page at freebsd.org...... Now, as for practicality. I run websites for two very 'conservative' churches on FBSD. I see no need for them to have decals on their boxen, nor .gifs on their home page. They do, however, greatly appreciate the fact that when something goes wrong, it's _not_ the server, and that I save them money by not paying Micro$oft for IIS and Exchange licenses..... Excellence in rational thought and radical devotion to Christ is far preferable to 'beastie bashing', and as for me, that's where my efforts will be laid...... Respectfully, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. Minister of Music & Worship Cornerstone Baptist Church To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message