From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 2 21: 2:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 21:02:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04EC37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E1829574F0; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:03:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:03:24 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Greg Black Cc: Gerhard Sittig , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab) Message-ID: <20010102230324.B65492@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , Greg Black , Gerhard Sittig , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <200011191816.KAA81473@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001119214008.Z27042@speedy.gsinet> <20001120143658.B4415@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> <20001120193326.C27042@speedy.gsinet> <20001205225656.Z27042@speedy.gsinet> <20001220211548.T253@speedy.gsinet> <3A513799.75EAB470@FreeBSD.org> <20010102133239.V253@speedy.gsinet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from gjb@gbch.net on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:38:30PM +1000 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:38:30PM +1000, Greg Black scribbled: | Gerhard Sittig wrote: | > Is there anyone out there who feels like rejecting the proposal | > for a *reason*? Or to accept the idea, but to redirect the | > effort to a "real solution"? I somehow doubt you'd rather | > explain again and again that cron(8) isn't broken but that users | > should shuffle around the daily job's execution time ... | | I'm opposed to the changes. Those people who live in places | that use daylight savings time should be aware of its effect on You see, "those people" equates to sysadmins living in North/South America, Europe, Australia, and some other places. | their lives and should understand that scheduling events to fall | during the missed or repeated time at the changeover (whether by | cron or by any other mechanism) is going to produce anomalous | results. Therefore, the /right/ thing to do is to avoid the | times where this problem can occur. | | IMO, the solution is to put a note at the top of the distributed | /etc/crontab file suggesting that people who have DST not put | jobs in the transition times, together with similar notes in the | relevant man pages and in comments at the top of the files that | are generated by crontab. Daylight savings time is here to stay. Nobody is going to change this for bunch of unix servers. I do not understand why people resist change in FreeBSD so much. This does not hurt anybody. Mr.Blacks' /etc/crontab comment idea is quite the thing that we try to avoid in the tree. -- Sigh, yet another bikeshed. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message