Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:43:51 +0100 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> To: Dirk Engling <erdgeist@erdgeist.org>, Peter Toth <peter.toth198@gmail.com> Cc: jail@freebsd.org Subject: Re: preferred jail management tool Message-ID: <54C80697.5070204@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <54C80145.3070201@erdgeist.org> References: <CACfj5vKjiQHsy9VbOKFFcrBpyr3dmbkOOxTxCYhSyZrnrjRiaQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAHieY7TyxzC0aK-ErY2EbCmTJPykk_9G7Gd=CrZ9yxQ-77PynA@mail.gmail.com> <20150127012347.GA4940@lonesome.com> <20150127141239.V77290@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <54C7958B.40007@gmail.com> <54C7C828.4070703@erdgeist.org> <14943.128.135.70.2.1422381245.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <54C7D371.9010609@erdgeist.org> <13934.128.135.70.2.1422383293.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <CAEUAJxtctW_Ku4iQFWTKOsr=sABDtKEeKKVitFyFcxfUSp%2Bjig@mail.gmail.com> <54C7F109.2040405@erdgeist.org> <CAEUAJxtQjUJEh%2Bz324utrY09FHTWVOwi0oegSv65%2B=-o48p66g@mail.gmail.com> <54C7FF2D.2070802@quip.cz> <54C80145.3070201@erdgeist.org>
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Dirk Engling wrote on 01/27/2015 22:21: > On 27.01.15 22:12, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > >> Yes. Sometimes I have a feeling that jails or some other features are >> unwanted children. I had PR opened for years with patche to rc.d/jail or >> etc/rc.subr to incorporate nice, or cpuset. And it never found it's way >> to the tree. > > How's that possible? > > I felt similarly frustrated when I went to 2013's BSDCan trying to talk > to the "jaily people" and noone was around. Jamie couldn't attend but > said that he's busy with other stuff and couldn't commit time to jail > development. Which, of course, is fine. It leaves a void, though. > > What good are features that are neither documented nor exposed to the > users? How do we move on from here and get config and docs synchronized > and where can I get a big picture of what's the big plan for the future? I don't know if it is because "FreeBSD has insufficient man power" to fulfill all related tasks. I just think this is the root cause why we still have "simple jails" while Linux folks pushed their train hard and now are far away with many "jail like" containers solutions allowing projects like Docker to happened. And this is sad. Miroslav Lachman
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