From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 18:27:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5501065679 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716F88FC13 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9TIRdY8023116; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n9TIRdhU023115; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:39 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Erik Norgaard , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:43 +0100 (CET) Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:27:47 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:55:20PM +0100, Erik Norgaard typed: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > I don't argue for a replacement but for the elimination. Install a port > if you need an MTA, you're happy with that way for so many other > standard services. Isn't this going a little too far? What other posix systems ship whith no default MTA at all? Not many I would say. > The default should be to dump cron output to a file. No need to setup 4 > mail clients. Only if you want to send the output to a remote address > would you need to do this. No need to setup mail clients? How about you having to create an infrastructure to parse all these files on your servers? I like the way it is: create an alias for root and be done with it. > The option remains to install from ports as with so many other things. And many other things not. Or do you want to go the linux way: just a kernel and the rest in packages? I like a complete OS. > My concern is if some heavy legacy application, because of history or > tradition, remains in base will draw resources from advancing in other > areas that are much more relevant today. sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job and are definetely NOT drawing resources from anyone or anything else. These discussions are. Also the sources in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/src are 2.2 MB. That's not heavy at all. Ruben