Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 15:42:52 +0300 From: Greg V <greg@unrelenting.technology> To: blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> Cc: Johannes Lundberg <johalun0@gmail.com>, x11-list freebsd <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org>, Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <1526474572.62936.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> In-Reply-To: <CALM2mEnuwPBZHE7FCtxeuQmrfkLVE9ZghvdFxuZiU0keH8FyNw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACvgo523OnQAKe0capm0u7XqSdV%2Bpwhqhjtg4%2BmFowvWARHQ_Q@mail.gmail.com> <20170222120828.zkrfh56swen7r44o@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <CACvgo50Jbs3vQyE-bzxJ3CqeKXnhrGTXyt=ngZRZHNF=0rsq-g@mail.gmail.com> <3635692.Vys3mgEcQY@workstation.reztek> <CACvgo51x1s77y-8w0j7hS4O9ZJASzhh%2Bo8yAULvoXtMB3LB=Sw@mail.gmail.com> <237b2552-c97c-fd41-5509-ed611f0103dd@freebsd.org> <CALM2mEkb%2BXGcBm5OV6ArtXyz2jUhuHso4ULn100r_1phoig-oA@mail.gmail.com> <efb0370d-bbbc-9629-79d3-fa6d6f4b4bf7@freebsd.org> <CALM2mEnQ5SwZ7VvoDdBouOL8NYRBeObNwT0WoGvaCusi_oU16w@mail.gmail.com> <CAECmPwtBgQxNBLb3L9Dfo-PtAjYL1r0=3YdzNmxOotLshd-J-g@mail.gmail.com> <CALM2mEnuwPBZHE7FCtxeuQmrfkLVE9ZghvdFxuZiU0keH8FyNw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:48 PM, blubee blubeeme <gurenchan@gmail.com> wrote: > > There's absolutely no reason for anyone to invest any resources into > developing a proper graphics stack for FreeBSD if the FreeBSD devs > are only > going to rely on Jerry-rigged stuff from Linux. > > The mailing list is bombarded by regressions and issues with the > Linuxkpi > stuff. For lightweight stuff sure, use the Linuxkpi if u have to but > for a > major component of the platform, that's just pathetic. > > There are talented devs out there who can get the work done, they > just need > to be financing, then organized. > > Seeing as most other platforms got their networking stack from BSD, > it's a > sad state when FreeBSD has to use Linuxkpi to get networking drivers. > > If stating that the FreeBSD graphics stack is in a sad position is > "shitting on people" then I'm guilty of that. > > I just know that we can and should do better. As if the graphics stack doesn't have lots of issues and regressions *on Linux*. Heck, proprietary vendor drivers on Windows often have worse issues than the open source graphics stack! FreeBSD is not in a sad position, it's in a great position. I'm literally writing this from a Weston desktop that uses atomic modesetting on AMDGPU DC (on a Polaris card). VA-API video acceleration works. Vulkan (RADV) works both in X11 and Wayland apps. OpenCL (Clover) works. Overclocking the GPU and VRAM works. This is awesome! I can't imagine anything better. A couple years ago we barely had i915 Haswell support. There is NOTHING wrong with a compatibility layer like LinuxKPI. The only better way would be a standardized kernel interface that all Unix-like kernels agree on. Good luck with getting them to agree on *anything*. And yeah, speaking of network, my Mellanox ConnectX-2 works fine. So both of the things I have plugged into PCIe on my tower have LinuxKPI based drivers :P
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