From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Wed May 16 12:43:12 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E38EEDFF48 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from hraggstad.unrelenting.technology (hraggstad.unrelenting.technology [IPv6:2605:2700:0:3:a800:ff:fee9:2feb]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hraggstad.unrelenting.technology", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFEBC86FEA; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=unrelenting.technology; h=date:from:subject:to:message-id; s=default; bh=COum04jI9/0dozGahxoMk6k5fxPRmEKOOgOQ/F653H4=; b=hUpP/kv7zx6ZyETp8C7sB1ZTtJQyG3FKDwJB9JrAnqtAqUQCtv11REAyIP/uR3rFKytm5ockp4LSAyyebSEcVZXR4IixwmBTPCz99AhvvyPdxLJr7dvKthFf7yCYygHsH7LgG4ZJHqDl20inA6Hhpj3xCKUIjFyGOi0z3jLdCj8= Received: by hraggstad.unrelenting.technology (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 73c4a4d6 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 15:42:52 +0300 From: Greg V Subject: Re: your mail To: blubee blubeeme Cc: Johannes Lundberg , x11-list freebsd , Niclas Zeising Message-Id: <1526474572.62936.0@hraggstad.unrelenting.technology> In-Reply-To: References: <20170222120828.zkrfh56swen7r44o@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <3635692.Vys3mgEcQY@workstation.reztek> <237b2552-c97c-fd41-5509-ed611f0103dd@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: geary/0.12.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 12:43:12 -0000 On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:48 PM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > There's absolutely no reason for anyone to invest any resources into > developing a proper graphics stack for FreeBSD if the FreeBSD devs > are only > going to rely on Jerry-rigged stuff from Linux. > > The mailing list is bombarded by regressions and issues with the > Linuxkpi > stuff. For lightweight stuff sure, use the Linuxkpi if u have to but > for a > major component of the platform, that's just pathetic. > > There are talented devs out there who can get the work done, they > just need > to be financing, then organized. > > Seeing as most other platforms got their networking stack from BSD, > it's a > sad state when FreeBSD has to use Linuxkpi to get networking drivers. > > If stating that the FreeBSD graphics stack is in a sad position is > "shitting on people" then I'm guilty of that. > > I just know that we can and should do better. As if the graphics stack doesn't have lots of issues and regressions *on Linux*. Heck, proprietary vendor drivers on Windows often have worse issues than the open source graphics stack! FreeBSD is not in a sad position, it's in a great position. I'm literally writing this from a Weston desktop that uses atomic modesetting on AMDGPU DC (on a Polaris card). VA-API video acceleration works. Vulkan (RADV) works both in X11 and Wayland apps. OpenCL (Clover) works. Overclocking the GPU and VRAM works. This is awesome! I can't imagine anything better. A couple years ago we barely had i915 Haswell support. There is NOTHING wrong with a compatibility layer like LinuxKPI. The only better way would be a standardized kernel interface that all Unix-like kernels agree on. Good luck with getting them to agree on *anything*. And yeah, speaking of network, my Mellanox ConnectX-2 works fine. So both of the things I have plugged into PCIe on my tower have LinuxKPI based drivers :P