From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 6 21:21:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B983416A403 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A85C13C487 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l36LIrBu005984; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20070406.151901.-1844003065.imp@bsdimp.com> To: nikolas.britton@gmail.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <20070406153500.GE6950@hoeg.nl> <46166A5E.3090009@samsco.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, ed@fxq.nl Subject: Re: Do we need this junk? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:21:36 -0000 In message: "Nikolas Britton" writes: : Where is this coming from? I'm trying to debate some of the issues : with FreeBSD and the only thing you've added to this thread is fuck : off? Why? Because you have used language that is somewhat absolute and have not done a market research on who actually uses FreeBSD. You have also shown a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern machines are put together as well, since you think all things ISA are obsolete (they are not). As others have noted, there's a very large and vibrant embedded FreeBSD community. This community makes real and meaningful contributions to FreeBSD. Over the years, I've made thousands of commits to the tree, funded in large part by the embedded companies that I have worked for, including CardBus, PC Card, SD/MMC, infrasturcutre changes, etc. Frankly, we'd rather tell a new, upstart to get bent than to tell actual users and supports of FreeBSD to get bent by removing the offending items from the tree. It really is a no-brainer. Warner