From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Dec 31 00:10:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2A51EDAA8 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russ.haley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x131.google.com (mail-il1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47mvnc0dd5z4dh8 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russ.haley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x131.google.com with SMTP id g12so29090729ild.2 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:10:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IteygOQIHyCaSqIoSmlDFeJASaqTtCA8IsHRTBBCQSA=; b=ZvbSIegN3DwgLl2gQGpNXounWWz1Rhng6cCjISkPl/Xqy7wLQsyh6PHNPpJUx8UdYm cBBeA4lStK2MAtr//jb4xcJtEtOTy5KSliknxB/H88jU8TeMkBD84bqiZm2fCmqiYgF+ MfQHy+WbbuYLlDpGDcwSEjBZO4uTwCnyfyJ1COOtaoEmwkO3/ENSfoxcMzjwusiEGhhJ qafkApeRbe9fdyYIbhlC/ra/M5k7IIRPDHK4w3BvIQV+TWngxQPaARmbTW5j0EwaIQz3 Pjh4ht1sKTRA2Q/zGXMJz9YNRddjoqSaINBzhlceXNyt291DTFy1iihRUtWR0nGP6zl3 LEBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IteygOQIHyCaSqIoSmlDFeJASaqTtCA8IsHRTBBCQSA=; b=sTN6EtAY8iEdXrNOz0veTWvgolUsJdeum5srclgZ707KzdZ7aCR7VITDglH+VJTVpM GI6IxyDPcxO1RgLKSq0kMjQJ5H+U/lkT2Fu6QI8BIdUtWAHDxcMrs1xOXq2OfOTegxZP WUzpGPjlvWqnsRmcjYpnfQEWE67KGuULVwlIVT7uHr3JohGhE/PRSkKTwOkt036vi3fN ePjd9+/QVaZdf6YKSzHhV3Hclq9P4PJ61KtOVsLgoZ4iYCw78RyOOwJK1J925hfvBunE YjrZL3uh4u7dilfNQVotF2HAEZeczBtn/yQCaNzXIYqwOVuRb8vr2A4lLIoQfLzFHCye 4fPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWousiveTWCzuwd5rYrHU8yCRIkyviiftM1MbbkPnEkuHpYHXQI +vrlfpNOHLWASC6i8P95xP6iDIswo6InAZdfHnckxA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx2qRqMSvNR7p/XvZNxA942oCK9L/9mXb4NU6aqL+0metm5SXPsxRswjiDF+zw5RkjFnxMmhCcrkqeOh0E403I= X-Received: by 2002:a92:8f4b:: with SMTP id j72mr62815665ild.1.1577751010624; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:10:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1921981.4WAli8B44Z@no.place.like.home> <20191230013752.GA74518@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: From: Russell Haley Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:09:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: exFAT is no longer encumbered To: "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47mvnc0dd5z4dh8 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZvbSIegN; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of russhaley@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::131 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=russhaley@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.01), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.15), asn: 15169(-1.87), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 00:10:13 -0000 On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:46 PM Carmel NY wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:59:09 -0800, Russell Haley stated: > >On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 3:41 AM Carmel NY > >wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 18:51:41 -0700, Adam Weinberger stated: > >> >On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:38 PM Kevin P. Neal > >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 01:01:52AM -0600, Greg Rivers wrote: > >> >> > As of last August, Microsoft have relaxed the patent > >> >> > restrictions on exFAT[1]. > >> >> > > >> >> > Can the Makefile LICENSE_PERMS_MSPAT restrictions be removed > >> >> > from sysutils/fusefs-exfat? Might exFAT make it into the > >> >> > FreeBSD base system (like msdosfs) one day? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > [1] > >> >> > < > >> > https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2019/08/28/exfat-linux-kernel/ > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I'm not sure that counts as a license. IANAL, but I'd like to see > >> >> an explicit granting of a license to anyone at no cost, and the > >> >> license needs to be transferable. > >> >> > >> >> The way Berkeley eliminated the advertising clause was good. > >> >> Simply saying "Microsoft is supporting the addition of" doesn't > >> >> really say anything. It's a statement of corporate direction and > >> >> nothing else. > >> > > >> >Expanding on what Kevin said, > >> > > >> > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/mtl/exfat-licensing.aspx > >> > >> >suggests that (a) exFAT is still patented and restricted as before, > >> >and (b) GPLv2 licensing was granted only for the Linux kernel module > >> >that they submitted. > >> > > >> >The BSD License grants the ability to use BSD-licensed code in > >> >commercial products, so I'm not sure that Microsoft would want to > >> >relax their licensing for us. As Kevin said, IANAL. > >> > > >> ># Adam > >> > >> I imagine that someone could actually inquire. It would cost nothing > >> and end this FUD that is surrounding this subject. > >> > >> http://aka.ms/celaiplicensing > >> > >On my phone the site displays a "Contoso, Ltd." title (That's > >Microsoft's pretend company for all it's examples). The IP Address > >resolves to a seemingly non-Microsoft server: > >waws-prod-bay-059.cloudapp.net [23.99.91.55]. To boot, there is no > >corporate branding or other links back to the Microsoft site. Forgive > >me, but it seems like a terrible idea to submit information to that > >site. > > That link leads to: > https://celaiplicensing.microsoftcrmportals.com/IPlicensing/ > > is owned by Microsoft. I am not sure what > your specific complaint is. > My complaint is that the site looked dodgy and I was pointing out why I thought so. Apologies if I was incorrect. -- > Carmel > >