From owner-freebsd-current Sat Dec 11 6:46:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78BA14D66; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 06:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA13601; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:45:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Stephen McKay Cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:03:19 +1000." <199912110503.PAA01950@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:45:54 +0100 Message-ID: <13599.944923554@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199912110503.PAA01950@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au>, Stephen McKay writes : >On Friday, 10th December 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > >>The same mentality that made the CAM cutover a "debacle" is making the >>ata cutover a "debacle". First of all, "core" is not really involved in this per se. >It might be that these things have to be >predicted by -core and handled "touchy feely" like: > >core: What if we do this ? >public: Um, sounds scary. When will you do it? Will I lose anything? >core: We think a month from now, and you will lose support for and . >public: We don't use and any more, so fine. So far, whenever this has been tried, the public reponse have been: public: We don't want to change anything, ever! It's so hard! You must support all my hardware for ever and ever! >instead of the current (caricatured for emphasis): > >core: We will do soon. Probably today. >public: Oh my God! >core: It's for your own good. You always complain and make it difficult! >public: We don't want to change anything, ever! It's so hard! You must > support all my hardware for ever and ever! I'm sure you will notice the similarity. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message