From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jul 5 17: 5:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5641C37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CE343E4A for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6604Ori021893; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:04:24 -0700 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6604N3I021892; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:04:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:04:23 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Terry Lambert Cc: Garance A Drosihn , Paul Richards , Sheldon Hearn , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing perl in make world Message-ID: <20020705170423.C24073@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <1025862341.1573.40.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20020705095258.GC775@starjuice.net> <1025864161.1573.45.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> <3D261EA4.ABC3AEC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D261EA4.ABC3AEC@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 03:33:08PM -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 03:33:08PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Others: I think the flaw in your idea is that you aren't > really running -current, so why the heck aren't you just > running -stable, instead of pretending to run -current? Of course by this argument, we wouldn't be running -stable either... I agree there is a need to allow developers to clean up their systems to be as much like a clean install as possiable, but I definatly think installworld is the wrong place to do so. I'm also pretty convinced that a make target is the wrong place entierly. The problem is that if you just go nuking everything that's OBE, you will break development machines and that's unacceptable. I can't just rebuild kde on a whim, it takes 10-20 hours on my laptop (and since I last built it with gcc 2.x, it's presumably much worse now.) What would be useful to me, would be a way to list the files that are OBE so I can make a reasionable decision about removing them. Idealy, such a system would have some handy ldd scripts to tell me if libs are used or not. I think Paul's goal is fairly noble, but the suggest solution is unacceptable in my book. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9JjQHXY6L6fI4GtQRAtE6AJ9Udr4jdq1OjKkRAqG+Lq2kp4O9bgCaArSk n/Ti/mJKBja47byQxJujHCY= =pBvz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yLVHuoLXiP9kZBkt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message