From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 17 15:29:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04892 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fedex.mpd.tandem.com (fedex.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.250.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA04883; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rolex.mpd.tandem.com (rolex.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.1]) by fedex.mpd.tandem.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA27060; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:28:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from papillon.lemis.de (greylan2.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.28.38]) by rolex.mpd.tandem.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA29303; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:29:10 -0600 (CST) From: Greg Lehey Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) id MAA00582; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:27:55 -0600 (CST) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199701161827.MAA00582@papillon.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Commercial Applications?? In-Reply-To: from "Jay D. Nelson" at "Jan 13, 97 10:54:24 pm" To: jdn@qiv.com (Jay D. Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:27:54 -0600 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Questions), chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Reply-to: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (follow up to -chat; this is no longer appropriate stuff for -questions). Jay D. Nelson writes: > Why not just say "A production quality Unix for IBM PCs" or something > similar. (Is *nix or clone more politically correct?) Mentioning Linux > at all suggests that Linux is somehow best of breed. FreeBSD offers me > what Linux doesn't and Linux offers some things that FreeBSD doesn't. This might be a possible alternative. Yes, the name UNIX is a trade mark or some such, but you'll notice the text on the top of the cover: "FreeBSD turns your PC into a powerful UNIX workstation". Maybe we could tone down the reference to Linux. > BTW, I don't think a daemon with sneakers _or_ a penguin does much for > the marketing effort. `Maudie Frick' will never use Unix knowingly, > and the post-pubescent whacker will go for the wildest and > wackiest. Your market is really the individual who already knows Unix > or a beginner who knows something of the history. I'll let others decide about penguins and platypuses, but the daemon has a long history (see pages xvii to xxi of the Preface for more details). It has appeared on a number of very serious computer science books, notably "The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX system", "The Design and Implementation of the 4.BSD system" (note the missing UNIX; thanks, lawyers), and "TCP/IP Illustrated" Volumes II and III. I feel honoured to be allowed to have it on my comparatively low-tech book. > Market tradition, maturity and stability. I have to support AIX and at > least half the code has a UCB copyright on it. Unix -- as it's known > today -- wouldn't exist without BSD! The same goes for System V. > My compliments to the FreeBSD team. To make this good a system that > runs on the whore's nightmare of contemporary PC hardware is a truly > remarkable achievement! Agreed. The FreeBSD team has done a remarkable job. Greg