From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 13:00:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AACE1065677 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52EA8FC1B for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-215-175.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.215.175]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6PD0chA024596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:00:39 +1000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6PD0c7r075918; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:00:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m6PD0cJj075917; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:00:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:00:38 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Aggelidis Nikos Message-ID: <20080725130038.GT74748@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <1216945181.1179.23.camel@RabbitsDen> <20080725055135.GN53966@stlux503.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20080725064436.GA64711@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <30fc78250807250336n4f52b0d0vd087fe01d1f940e6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <30fc78250807250336n4f52b0d0vd087fe01d1f940e6@mail.gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:00:42 -0000 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-Jul-25 13:36:37 +0300, Aggelidis Nikos w= rote: >From my perspective freebsd should "advertise"(*) the laptops that >work with it, out of the box, so that new users {like me} know what to >buy; Who do you suggest is going to do this? Buying one of every type of laptop, installing (or working out how to install) FreeBSD and checking which bits of the laptop do/don't work with which version of FreeBSD is an expensive exercise in both time and effort. The best that exists at present is http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ - but it suffers from the problem that by the time someone has bought a laptop and checked it out, that model is obsolete. In my case, I bought my laptop because I knew someone who had the identical model. > and large corporations have a benefit for promoting OS >compatibility other than Windows(tm). The vendors don't seem interested in doing this - I suspect that they are pressured not to support anything other than Winbloze (you might notice that two very high profile Linux-only laptops have recently grown Winbloze variants). Successive generations of laptops have become less and less free-OS-friendly. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkiJznYACgkQ/opHv/APuIdxIwCeOla4JCXBdLg7816zFoT03gfg QhoAnjp3uGU0ubz14FLEAxa8FDuyDFvn =ENKE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--