From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 18 23:59:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F20216A4CE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCFC43D2D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:59:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Atj5j-00038K-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:59:27 +0100 Received: from dhcp193.ifado.de ([195.253.22.193]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu Feb 19 07:59:27 2004 Received: from wb by dhcp193.ifado.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu Feb 19 07:59:27 2004 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: wb@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Wilhelm B. Kloke) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Inst ArbPhys Uni Dortmund Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1077177614.605781@vestein> References: <1077049653.126097@vestein> <20040218105807.GA30854@cat.robbins.dropbear.id.au> X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp193.ifado.de X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: wb@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Wilhelm B. Kloke) Cache-Post-Path: vestein!unknown@yorikke X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Sender: news Subject: Re: UTF-8 problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:59:29 -0000 In article <20040218105807.GA30854@cat.robbins.dropbear.id.au>, Tim Robbins wrote: >On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 08:26:46PM +0000, Wilhelm B. Kloke wrote: > >> Man page output is crippled, when LANG=de_DE.UTF-8. >> This is corrected by loading a current less. >> >> vi does not work correctly on Umlauts. >> I am not sure whether updating ncurses is sufficient; >> or whether updating vi also is needed, >> or both are insufficient. > >Both of these are probably caused by incorrect handling of multibyte >characters in less & vi. Many of the text-processing utilities in the >base system also share this problem. You could try using an ISO 8859 >locale instead, or try using Vim (which probably supports UTF-8) >instead of nvi. Yes. I found this out myself already. The UTF-8 stuff should be fixed, though. ISO8859 is a solution, but only for the past. I have used it for years, but now I found enough reasons for change, sufficient for me. A better solution for the editor problem is sam or wily, both using Unicode as thier native code. What about our far eastern users? At least, the 8bit limitation should be properly documented, as the 7bit limit has (better had) in earlier times. -- Dipl.-Math. Wilhelm Bernhard Kloke Institut fuer Arbeitsphysiologie an der Universitaet Dortmund Ardeystrasse 67, D-44139 Dortmund, Tel. 0231-1084-257