From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 12 15:38:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F2E106564A for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E30B18FC16 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13018 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2010 15:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2010 15:38:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=nJ6GxcYe3FKFVTOV/CQPdmOGWJyYMXcKG5qdH/7yNzsS2/tIMM+zcLaXubhMBWUoxoTbSnMrL+8OtVQYeeyOlzDrJXe2QU2P5tWwsff9X8r/2JoZPfo4wvuJRxFik/zI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONSnL-0003Iv-8a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:38:52 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:38:13 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:38:13 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100612153813.GA53180@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86eigdx6vl.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4C13320C.5090700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C13320C.5090700@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: freebsd - for the win X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:38:53 -0000 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 08:06:52AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 > Absolutely. Especially when you compare it to MacPorts and consider the > disparity in numbers of users between MacOS and FreeBSD. Given that the > ports is maintained by a bunch of volunteers basically in their spare > time, the fact that it is consistently of good quality and that the > popular packages are generally updated to the latest available versions > within a couple of weeks -- frequently within a few hours -- > it's a pretty astonishing accomplishment. I don't mean to belittle anyone's accomplishments, of course, but I don't find it astonishing at all. FreeBSD's development model is one that encourages people to develop what they use, and to use what they develop, and it doesn't exclude people for rules of arbitrary hiring practices. When your software is developed and/or maintained by way of a more meritocratic system in which people are "eating their own dog food" and the developers/maintainers are self-selected in large part because of their *interest* in what they develop or maintain, it would be surprising to me if something like FreeBSD *didn't* end up doing better than something like MacOS X, which is developed and maintained under an autocratic model wherein many of the developers and maintainers were assigned to their respective projects (regardless of interest) after being hired due to their resume bullet points (regardless of actual ability). That's just my perspective. I suppose yours may differ. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkwTqeUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXHVwCgiK2AHSCRO41noZqfBNXDgf5z dfkAnA39spTlLp+TY38ZYnt6pRI1NaKv =0JHD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY--