From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 23 02:24:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17011 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16997 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enkhyl@hayseed.net) Received: from hillbilly.hayseed.net (hillbilly.hayseed.net [204.62.130.2]) by hillbilly.hayseed.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07905; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:23:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Enkhyl To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: rotel@indigo.ie, ben@rosengart.com, "Dag-Erling C. Smrgrav" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: shouting in a void? In-Reply-To: <1741.906532095@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'd just like to say that expecting -current users to follow CVS > > logs is just unrealistic, which is what Dag-Erling was proposing, > > No, it's really not. I can't imagine running -current without reading > the CVS logs, expecially if I had any desire to build from /usr/src on > a regular basis. Sometimes committers announce stuff which will break > you on -current, and sometimes (more often still) they just forget. :) > The CVS logs are always the final and most definitive indicator for > -current's state of health. I definitely agree with Jordan on this (not that my opinion necessarily matters to anyone :). There have been a few times in the last few weeks during all the major changes when the CVS logs contained good information about gotchas. I also find it to be an excellent learning tool for someone that might not know all the intricacies of the kernel and subsystems. Not to mention, many of the developers have a good sense of humor, making some of the messages rather humorous. :) I know, I know... e-mail can be hard enough to sort through without all the commit messages flying by, but I've found them to be invaluable. Just my $0.02 -- Christopher Nielsen Scient: The Art and Science of Electronic Business cnielsen@scient.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message