From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 9 15:11:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6379516A4BF; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A894143FBF; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HKY007HYW8V34@smtp03.wxs.nl>; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:10:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Intranet.lan (akruijff@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h89MB87p043389;akruijff@Intranet.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Intranet.lan (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h89MB6MO043388; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:11:07 +0200 (CEST envelope-from akruijff) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:11:06 +0200 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <20030831065010.GA23179@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> To: Andreas Klemm Message-id: <20030909221106.GA31532@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <3F50C956.70603@carebears.mine.nu> <20030830151544.G21642@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3F5193E2.8060805@carebears.mine.nu> <20030831065010.GA23179@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> cc: Christer Solskogen cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strip FreeBSD a bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:11:15 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 08:50:10AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Christer, > > I think its a bad idea to remove components from FreeBSD that > everybody would expect in a BSD. I think there has to be a clear reason if components where removed. This still doesn't mean that it couldn't come installed by default. It just meant useing the package / port system. Why sould we not use it? > I think you touch areas here like tradition ... > > In Linux its another thing, they don't have such a tradition, > since Linux is only a kernel and Linux never defined a Linux > basde system. So there you can discuss of having sendmail, > exim, postfix or qmail installed by default or not. The way the kernel is related to the distribution is totaly irrelevant. If you looking for traditions here they sould be in the various distributions. > IMHO I think its a good thing that a normal FreeBSD installation > includes bind and sendmail. This makes FreeBSD a complete > (standard/traditional) Unix after basic installation. But this could still be reaced if it was a port. > Things like perl had to go for other reasons in 5.x it was > related to difficulties in the build process and RPITA concerning > how the p5- ports fit into a scheme perl5 in base system + newer > perl5 under /usr/local. I think this basicaly comes down to being modulair. This is a good thing in my opinion! -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/