From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 22:44:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBB116A419 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0323413C447 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHSBpEeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACsYQ Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2008 14:44:57 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020214445527-2666 ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:44:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <200802020333.UAA03117@lariat.net> Message-ID: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> <200802020333.UAA03117@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:44:55, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:44:57, Serialize complete at 02/02/2008 14:44:57 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:44:58 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Brett Glass wrote: > At 07:19 PM 2/1/2008, jerry@syslog.org wrote: > >> I've been through many M&A deals. MS will be able to successfully argue >> that the MS+Yahoo! combo does not constitute a monopoly, since: >> 1) the share of search of the combined companies does not equal that of >> it's competitor, Google (source: >> http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3627122) >> 2) The combination of MS and Yahoo! does not preclude any >> search/portal/email competitor from entering the market. > > Anyone who thinks it doesn't constitute a monopoly hasn't looked at the > typical user's browser window. Every Windows PC sold today comes with > MSN as the start page and the Yahoo! toolbar (which claims to remove > spyware, but spies on you itself and refuses to be removed) pre-installed. > > Combining the two will hold the average user, who doesn't even know > how to change the browser start page and can't tell the Yahoo toolbar > from the URL bar, completely hostage. The news called it "antitrust ISSUES," which is interesting. Obviously, IMHO, Google's 59-62% (I am still betting they got this 3% boost since Dec. 2007) search market is clear counterindication to TOTAL monopoly, but nonetheless, depending on how one defines the "market," there is some concern. I think, though, that the obvious trend will be further marriages of broadcast media (2009 mandate of digital television signals as one indicator) and internet/computing sector corporations such as the past merger of AOL/Time Warner. Therefore, I guess I would tend to agree that antitrust SEEMS unlikely (but I must acknowledge total ignorance of actual legal technicalities on the matter and lack of J.D.). On Charlie Rose last night they were discussing the matter, and it seems the BIG question is whether Yahoo will acquiesce to the takeover. To do so would cut against the culture war of Redmond and Silicon Valley. >> All of this assumes a few things: >> 1) Yahoo's shareholders believe the deal represents a good value > > Ironically, it's Microsoft shareholders who think it's a bad deal. > Microsoft's stock dropped like a rock when the offer was announced, > while Yahoo! stock went up. Isn't that normal stock behaviors for takeover? > --Brett Glass *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------*