From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 12:14:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C20D3299E4 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 12:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dhQt0Ymmz4tSv for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 12:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.33.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mq2vU-1jButY2vr8-00nCnj; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 14:14:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:14:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Huff Cc: Kurt Hackenberg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-Id: <20200605141422.0c2fab21.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <24282.13581.526482.840608@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <24282.13581.526482.840608@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:n8eYepJ/teTkgT9j3EIPCinhfmARppHcLmV2m2T3HUhpv0GJ0zh T93dCu1vAAK1GpEA7a5X4pZj+2jb0Qw6SgJxpUk/D4wTXY86m7Jz4eTKrRd0ipKE2RVahQh X1eGBwuIIpXVHifsfX+cTBQXiTMphDHVHVGd8G5vB5YDoYOh+KvDtV+RSM506+VuDSODJIo UpW+RVctTNw63cVDYBSaw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:9K025XTGLsY=:cZpe6Jo4vZQ7ZQJ03XPuGc 9NKRLhWBUAkK2RJxf8AbCFIxoJAUeJfEL0inKeHg9QlZt4957s7Y4ZC5zWOG7dm5WPSIG7grg RxzEYR8ABKk7OQaMzeFwBIDQDHdKqJXUizRv6fh7zg6DDlsJdzvLmJm/leQUQgfY5t9MIUAG2 tTAJ+/LkyjHxdKF1wW9pGwHadiklymJxhUiMJdXLN/hYhJvGhhsLwp+HvqtuMqQ2v+CWH9l8i NmDS+p3TFnT39zZgFVDiSOhe/rmq1U0gzBX2bEwEfHypsxl1BhynApIgl1gO98K8YBTd74ob3 cy+wLI/M+uURT79l2oJneAAuksXIjOgn7XpC2phCHU7/jClwjKKI+g9NyI6z+1ash/MeOJEOC i95tXCdVQdxeFQyAQj1uENLi/n34EiEE2ht3jPZdtatEasHjHuU31TGu62lWkAHpp8X17uSmp Qhxudi1Fuz+dhgVcTkn7N59zq70Yv+z31pRRWrzSA9hf7TgvucqYU91piFEMa9o4KYhLW7t+s 25HKlZH1RT2p/Xy+TKPnFpsH25aPnOsGi9mx8ngNxsU5i233bZbD8CX8EGH4+yD4kwtKPOwgF JX3uitFi5sI7GTLvEvDvLNhlAMfDN7coLPMAyiPPXMW4vnXSJFBv5vXdKkI5AjsfiC4VuoI2b BH3i7EGdEAYVmfddKlmchUv9lvTbI5oKwMSNR5rwXXqfDsEiDiuIZxcvm3YFjte98WZXuxMGc UR+sRsOTJmrUyIEJ8r65iWfz37OQywnG/n9z1sJFyhv47W8pgQ5yEPMJN5j6Sign9e0QK083B ro3T3zxxBve36bm87pZEApzejJR6lE/jUOVdXjK2nXWbNTHuDhSD+ymFopN0myhHFvdXAJL X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dhQt0Ymmz4tSv X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.01 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.504]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.33.179:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.68)[-0.678]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.21)[-0.206]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 12:14:31 -0000 On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 08:05:33 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > Kurt Hackenberg writes: > > > I guess you could start with C, and maybe add C++ later. That's if > > you want to learn to program, which is a big project. There's also > > an argument that a beginning programmer should learn some newer > > language. > > I am now accepting rhetorical nominations for a useful > programming language better suited for teaching a beginning programmer > of at least average intelligence. At the moment the only other > candidate is Pascal, beloved on account of its vast code > base. Speaking from my own terrible experience, Pascal is a collection of things you need to unlearn when you start understanding what _really_ happens. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...