From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 06:42:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8EA16A41F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:42:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0517743D45 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:42:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FD350DAD; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:42:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from pink.imgsrc.co.jp (unknown [IPv6:2001:218:422:1::36]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC43A50DA8; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:42:42 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:42:42 +0900 Message-ID: <7mvezb8s9p.wl%kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" In-Reply-To: References: <9F8AEDEA-0548-4C97-B83F-8258706F59F1@shire.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd 0.1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:42:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As Greg said, please stop this thread on this list. You can discuss it on other lists (such as -advocacy@), but -questions@ is not the place to do. At Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:13:18 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Chad this is bullshit. First of all the ENTIRE point of this new logo is > to increase USE of FreeBSD among the people that allegedly will not > use it because of religious "devil" objections. IN SHORT, this logo > is FOR THE USERS, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE PROJECT. > > And for the users that AREN'T EVEN CURRENTLY USERS YET! > > And you are arguing those users should not have a say because > they are not in the project? And the users in the project shouldn't > have a say because their betters know better? I thought FreeBSD > was a collaborative, community effort. Sounds a bit high-handed > to me, don't you think? > > It's kind of like one day I show up at your door and say that "you > need a neighborhood association" and proceed to go down to the > city and go through all the paperwork and Bang - now there's a > neighborhood association in charge of your neighborhood. Then I > proceed to get some deed restrictions passed that prohibit you > from painting your house purple, or bright orange, or putting yard > gnomes in your yard, in the name of neighborhood beautification. > Then pretty soon I get the association to pass some rules that > prohibit people from parking cars on the street in front of their > house. Then I get some rules requiring you to mow your lawn every > weekend. > > You never asked for any of this but because "I" have gone through > channels and manipulated the politics and paperwork that the city > has setup for these associations, now you have to kowtow. BUT, > -I- and doing this FOR YOU. Now, why aren't you appreciative? > > In any case from what I've seen the committers IN the project > didn't have a say either. They got to vote on the contest results, > they DID NOT get to vote on whether to have the contest at all. > > Kind of like how most governments operate - you can choose a > candidate but you can't choose to NOT have the position filled > when it's clearly obvious its unneeded. > > If the Project really needed a logo separate from Beastie then > we could have simply cut off his head and made the head the > logo. That's what NetBSD did a number of years ago before > they got politically correctified. But as I've pointed out before, > Beastie WAS the logo! - -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 iD8DBQFDaF/d7jxNu/47Wc0RAmCkAJwKBxz4lAM/FMpevq2Ap2Rz+qiYFACfbnRO CJOSeEZIT+rKUsh5U/629v8= =JNII -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----