Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:09:24 +0000 From: Rene Ladan <rene@freebsd.org> To: Jose Quinteiro <freebsd@quinteiro.org> Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest and quarterly best practices Message-ID: <ZaGqhDx9gpuUt3mJ@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <84dca503-78ff-8fed-73d6-153f38478c71@quinteiro.org> References: <NnH9ree--3-9@tuta.io> <ttns-rgv3-wny@FreeBSD.org> <84dca503-78ff-8fed-73d6-153f38478c71@quinteiro.org>
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On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 09:51:06AM -0800, Jose Quinteiro wrote: > > > On 1/4/24 12:19, Jan Beich wrote: > > henrichhartzer@tuta.io writes: > > > >> I propose that as a rule of thumb, if a package uses Semantic > >> Versioning (semver) and the changes are non-breaking, it should be > >> cherry picked into quarterly. Especially if this is only a patch level > >> change and not a minor, but likely either way. > > > > I tend to cherry-pick everything unless there's a good reason not to. > > ABI breakage, POLA, insufficient QA, lack of user-visible changes, > > churn fatigue, different maintainer or lack of time are such reasons. > > > > For example, backporting vulkan-* is mostly churn compared to > > backporting mesa-devel which brings actual Vulkan improvements. > > > >> An opposite case, and this one may be truly a no harm no foul case: > >> x11-wm/hyprland was updated from 0.33.1_2 to 0.34.0, and cherrypicked > >> to quarterly. There were a number of changes in this release, and I > >> personally would be hesitant to recommend such a cherrypicking unless > >> there were known issues with 0.33.1 that users had complained > >> about. Otherwise, since it's an offline window manager, it seems like > >> waiting for the quarterly release would make the most sense. Now in > >> this case I don't know the context and cherrypicking may have made > >> complete sense -- I'm just using it as an example to try and explain > >> my thoughts. > > > > Wayland ecosystem moves fast. Hyprland is even faster, outpacing Sway. > > 0.34.0 made it easier to use plugins, removing the need to create ports. > > 0.33.0 removed NVIDIA hacks to bundled wlroots, helping FreeBSD port. > > > > - Before 1.0 versions have no stability guarantee > > - Upstream[1] and the Discord community don't support old releases > > - Old releases are frequently buggy > > - Backporting generic bug fixes is risky > > - I don't want to support old versions of this > > > > [1] At least the documentation is versioned, see > > https://wiki.hyprland.org/version-selector/ > > > Maybe there are some ports that should not exist in the quarterly > branch? Looks like some of these are under such heavy development that > they really don't have a stable version. > The quarterly branches are just that, branches of main at the beginning of a quarter, so such ports would have to be manually removed for each branch. Regards, René > Thanks, > Jose
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