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Date:      Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:24:40 -0600 (MDT)
From:      Nick Rogness <nick@rapidnet.com>
To:        Brian Beattie <beattie@aracnet.com>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: natd question
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9910191146090.99921-100000@rapidnet.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910191020170.24214-100000@shell2.aracnet.com>

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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Brian Beattie wrote:

  [snip]
> 
> How about:
>  
>         (~~~~~~~~~~)                                     (~~~~~~~~~~)
>        (            )      +-------+      +-------+     (            )
>       +              +     |       |      |       |    +              +
>      ( 130.144.120/22 ) -- |FreeBSD| ---- |FreeBSD| --( 130.144.120/22 )
>       +    (real)    +     |       |      |       |    +    (test)    +
>        (            )      +-------+      +-------+     (            ) 
>         (~~~~~~~~~~)                                     (~~~~~~~~~~)
> 
> Using 10.0.0.0 on the network in the middle
> 

	I originally had this idea but the problem is when a machine from
	the 'test' network, lets say 130.144.120.1, tries to reach a
	machine on the 'real' network, let's say 130.144.120.2.  Packets
	will never be routed properly because it will never leave the
	'test' network.  The machines on both sides would not send the
	packets to the gateway since the the destination is considered
	to be local.

	Unless there is specific static routes on all
	machines pointing to higher netmasked hosts they will never
	be routed across the BSD machines.  Even if they were to make it
	across the return packets would never make it back unless there
	were static routes on the other side as well.

	Even if you did get the routing tables setup right on both sides
	you would then also have to deal with duplicate IP addresses, on
	a LAN.

	I have just thought of a way to keep the the ip addresses the same
	and let NATD handle the IP pointers.  However, there will be some
	renumbering involved:


         (~~~~~~~~~~)               10.11.0.0/30 	  (~~~~~~~~~~)
        (            )      +-------+      +-------+     (            )
       +              +     |       |      |       |    +              +
      ( 10.10.0.0/22  ) --  |FreeBSD| ---- |FreeBSD| -- ( 10.10.0.0/22 )
       +    (real)    +     |       |      |       |    +    (test)    +
        (            )      +-------+      +-------+     (            ) 
         (~~~~~~~~~~)         NATD-1        NATD-2        (~~~~~~~~~~)

	
	If you setup 2 different machines with 2 ethernet cards in them,
	configure them to connect to each other with a different network
	range from the remote sides.  Run NatD on those interfaces.
	
	Then you setup 2 different address translation tables
	on each FBSD machine that has static pointers to the real machine
	IP's using the natd config table eg:
		
	    #NATD-1 config file
		port 8668
		interface de0
		redirect_address 10.10.0.1 130.144.120.1
		redirect_address 10.10.0.2 130.144.120.2
		redirect_address 10.10.0.3 130.144.120.3
			.			
			.			
			.			
		redirect_address 10.10.0.20 130.144.120.19


	    #NATD-2 config file
		port 8668
		interface de0
		redirect_address 10.10.0.1 130.144.120.20
		redirect_address 10.10.0.2 130.144.120.25
		redirect_address 10.10.0.3 130.144.120.35
			.			
			.			
			.			
		redirect_address 10.10.0.20 130.144.120.60
			

	Then you just refer to the machines when communicating between 
	each network as 130.144.120.XXX.  That way the FreeBSD machines
	make the decision on which public packets need to get diverted
	to which local machine.  Also you can change these mappings fairly
	easily and your mappings will take place without ever having to
	change IP addresses on your local machines.

	Just an idea.

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