From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Mar 30 03:26:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB5C2701C5 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 03:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x835.google.com (mail-qt1-x835.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::835]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48rHtS6lChz4FKq for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 03:26:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x835.google.com with SMTP id z12so13992483qtq.5 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:26:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DgxUjr8bujrCtEgsZ3Rl3QK1gqgA17Jcs7B8zJX8Pd4=; b=jC+PGiKLsD87PJnF7iTx3W2zj9jXYqDkDAZxFTzCXByO8ieMPubRwVGsBoFzKv1N4C GBbPZRWbHKZ8lX7NXO3SomtSCNnj6yaxDqgRVKOy5XUPWBwqZXsQAgVCVGwx/0kDGqhS TMymHf7DCPENVnjbPPnmi4yQiZJP8blMhoBPEg2ZFDkG9xBnUQF+TL8JotRe7X3W+yHo 57AiKihrig4qaHiVjoIwvDtLji9kTx7luG/SlOiuQxbeIj3mfdY6GplisZoixfum2x5o Qkgcb5n2RtxKYuhrQ0w3ZrJebdlauTk5u3cCRn6qNzdXrRm+ZcjtLvBubOa0MPpUv9TP T3tA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DgxUjr8bujrCtEgsZ3Rl3QK1gqgA17Jcs7B8zJX8Pd4=; b=OZ0PSqx/dqypLsioooisG1TUnUL0rg9AihLvBV1AMrul+QVRSupxiyAE09U13dLcvb 1OfiIyuXT+3JSz0DOE1MkwpNLnho3nbqzUbsauoy/DQx5ijUh4vmDmwpnBToU8hSQOyf zrXQreTxQd6xdUoNIxorz1kPrZe1kGExaF3BUEw8j3QN20JsGFD7orWfDt8RnWzgq8lA hRxr8z8AWaCF1Gv7Xi9iWmp4jYYhsKxmaSzs3fbJV/6wFmGKDtsskzMPCfG/saqGwwpU dUXiO5vpafC3fQ4BTZZoemRwgaIiU2aCTYE7+6vY9+LtTaK5KCp3JD+3kufcGYyAb/UC N/bw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ27Mms5QG/rMsOgzTUvHmSZcVjjRg40KVmKETUARt7i8/mPp8HJ oDUcgT5ZAePJH8o+2WdvQj7m0TO9NjHrCDPJKcsikQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vv07AquEBESsrvrQjdTagOQsYkr9OsV7bubeU2tdnYAyG3PtFPEF0raYOt9bXNSptFCcYAMVKlNH5MYoRlCp9g= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:224c:: with SMTP id p12mr9540108qtp.32.1585538777093; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:26:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18df34fe-6256-6e68-ead5-481e83a501fe@freebsd.org> <4C050E22-E571-47ED-87A1-FE1BAC69A073@bsdio.com> In-Reply-To: <4C050E22-E571-47ED-87A1-FE1BAC69A073@bsdio.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:26:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: When will the FreeBSD (u)EFI work? To: Rebecca Cran Cc: Nathan Whitehorn , "Simon J. Gerraty" , Kyle Evans , Tomoaki AOKI , FreeBSD Current , Chris H X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48rHtS6lChz4FKq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=jC+PGiKL; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.03)[ip: (-9.26), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-0.36), asn: 15169(-0.46), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 03:26:33 -0000 On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:23 PM Rebecca Cran wrote: > > > On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Nathan Whitehorn > wrote: > > > > The problem then is that we have treated loader as a > > continuously-updatable part of the OS, like the kernel, and the update > > system and development process assumes they get updated in sync. > > But at the moment how often do users mount the ESP and update loader.efi > on it? So it seems it rarely _needs_ to be updated at the moment. > True, but as we move from boot1.efi to loader.efi, the need will grow... Even if we keep boot1.efi, loader.efi will be needed for interesting secure systems, so we can't cop-out like we have in the past. Warner