From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 12 19: 3:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF6014E6C for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17403; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990912195547.04ac89c0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:03:18 -0600 To: "Daniel O'Connor" From: Brett Glass Subject: RE: Good News! FreeBSD monopoly! (Was: Good News! Commercial Bac Cc: FreeBSD-chat In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990912192050.04abebc0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:20 AM 9/13/99 +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >Brett isn't raising good points. Brett is raising Brett's points. > > The fact that they provoke such a strong response from you suggests that > > they may be good points indeed. > >Probably not, they're just plain emotional manipulation to get people's hackles >up. Actually, I'm stating them with as little emotion as possible. They're just FACTS, that's all. The issue is, what to do about them? > > >Nearly all of Brett's messages hail the impending doom of FreeBSD. > > Not so. I've pointed out, however, that FreeBSD is losing market share and > > is being crowded out of its niche by Linux. > >What a positive statement! I'm so reasured by your continuing support for >FreeBSD. If I did not support FreeBSD, I wouldn't express concern about this. I'd say, "Oh, goody! Linux is winning!" The fact that I note that something ungood is going on, rather than just wearing a painted-on happy face, does not mean I am unsupportive of FreeBSD. Quite the contrary. As I've said many times, I want to do something about it and have noted ways in which I believe the trends can be reversed. > > >I say that Brett's discussion here does FreeBSD harm. > > I say that it has revealed some nagging problems which are doing FreeBSD > > You're blaming the messenger. > >*THATs* a cop out. 'You can't critisize me - I'm just the messenger' >I'll say what a lot of other people have said, you state the problem without >suggesting any decent solutions. Have you been off in hyperspace somewhere? REALLY. I've been proposing many solutions -- including some very bold ones that'd take a big chunk of my own time, money, and energy. Execution, however, depends on avoidance of sabotage by either Walnut Creek or FreeBSD, Inc., either of which could kill the project and perpetuate FreeBSD's slide. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message