From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 10:04:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D7E16A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from materva.diewebmaster.at (materva.diewebmaster.at [80.66.42.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D4843D5F for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:04:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from christian.damm@diewebmaster.at) Received: from localhost (localhost.diewebmaster.at [127.0.0.1]) by materva.diewebmaster.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id C672D2180B1; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:04:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from materva.diewebmaster.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (materva.diewebmaster.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03498-06; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:04:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.14] (da.diewebmaster.at [192.168.1.14]) by materva.diewebmaster.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5989E218056; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:04:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <421EF775.4040304@diewebmaster.at> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:01:25 +0100 From: Christian Damm User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfpaw - Dale Corse References: <034001c51a86$9d5c9f40$020a0a0a@wolf> In-Reply-To: <034001c51a86$9d5c9f40$020a0a0a@wolf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at diewebmaster.at cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SpamAssassian with FreeBSD and Big Mail Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:04:09 -0000 Wolfpaw - Dale Corse schrieb: > Sortmonster blows dspam out of the water, and you don’t even need to > use DNS BL's (which have their own potential problems.) It is native > to postfix, and you can basically configure default BSD, toss it in, > and put SA behind it - done.. We have a setup similar to this running > on a p4 1.8 Ghz w/ 1GB ram, which is also serving websites, and > some muds. > > Why make it more complicated then it has to be. Sure, it costs > $30/mo - but considering the hardware and time you'll save, it's > worth it. The part people aren’t mentioning here is the (IMO) > extreme amount of tweaking dspam takes, and the fact I _believe_ > it has to build its logic, which can make it useless for a while. > I much prefer things that simply work as intended when I drop them > on.. I don't know about you, but I have little time as it is, so > I try not to waste it :) i looked at the sortmonster site and it sounds interesting - anyway, i have a strict open source policy (when it comes to our mailserver environment) in my company...also i think that tweaking software is essential in a *nix ISP environment so im not a big fan of out-of-the-box ("you can call the support - but we dont know what all this funky binaries do") solutions. > > My 2 cents :) > D. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Christian Damm >>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:01 AM >>To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu >>Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: SpamAssassian with FreeBSD and Big Mail Server >> >> >> >> >>Ion-Mihai Tetcu schrieb: >> >>>On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:14:28 +0100 >>>Christian Damm wrote: >>> >>> [ ... ] >>> >>> >>> >>>>small: 1 > 10000 >>>>medium: 10000 > 100000 >>>>big: 100000 > ... >>>>(i.m.h.o - it depends on who is looking at this) >>>> >>>>iron: im not a big fan of big "bloated" boxes in mailserver >>>>environments >>>>(sun`s and "mainframe" kind of stuff) - multiple fine tuned and >>>>carefully built x86 hosts (non SMP single CPU machinmes) >> >>running freebsd >> >>>>are all you need and they get cheaper every day... ;-) >>>> >>>>what kind of system-size/scalability you are after? >>> >>> >>> [ ... ] >>> >>>30.000 domains (from personal sites to large traffic ones), >> >>only virus >> >>>/ spam filtering and then relaying the mail to the "webservers" for >>>imap/pop/webmail access. >> >>ok - how many users (average) per domain? >> >> >>>BL rejecting makes a 70% of inbound mail for top 30 of >> >>them, but still >> >>>a >> >>if not more than 70% >> >> >>>hell lot of spam passes and SA just can't handle the load. >> >>yes - thats what i said in my original posting >> >> >>>My dspam experience is manly with corporate LANs and such, not ISP >>>installs. >> >>with _1_ tuned mid class x86 box with plenty of ram and fast >>i/o running >>freebsd and postfix, you could handle this for sure! - of >>course using >>every useful and available anti-spam possibility offered by >>postfix and >>rejecting as much as you can during the smtp session. i run one email >>gateway like this for a isp (around your size) on one extremely tuned >>std. x86 host (freebsd/postfix + all useful built-in antispam >>"wizardry"/amavisd-new/clamd/vexira/gld (greylist daemon)/dspam...of >>course no pop3/imap on this box - load is around 0.5 max. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >> >>mfg. >> >>christian damm >>technische leitung >>phone: dw 42 >>email: christian.damm@diewebmaster.at >>icq at work: 124464652 >> >>die webmaster - flötzerweg 156 - 4030 linz - austria >>phone: +43-732-381242, fax: +43-732-381242-22, isdn (leonardo): >>+43-732-381242-33 >>homepage: www.diewebmaster.at, public email: >>office@diewebmaster.at _______________________________________________ >>freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > > > !DSPAM:421df4fc882231401791167! > -- mfg. christian damm technische leitung phone: dw 42 email: christian.damm@diewebmaster.at icq at work: 124464652 die webmaster - flötzerweg 156 - 4030 linz - austria phone: +43-732-381242, fax: +43-732-381242-22, isdn (leonardo): +43-732-381242-33 homepage: www.diewebmaster.at, public email: office@diewebmaster.at