From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 2 13:47:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B92416A4CE; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.nsu.ru (mx.nsu.ru [212.192.164.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1C943D1D; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from iclub.nsu.ru ([193.124.215.97] ident=root) by mx.nsu.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AyHlP-00039J-27; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:49:19 +0600 Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (fjoe@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i22LkxYw043226; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 03:46:59 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: (from fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i22LkwSh043225; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 03:46:58 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 03:46:58 +0600 From: Max Khon To: Andre Oppermann Message-ID: <20040302214658.GD42471@iclub.nsu.ru> References: <4043B6BA.B847F081@freebsd.org> <00d301c40089$8a035410$c000000a@jd2400> <4044F8E1.F10CFD37@freebsd.org> <20040302214022.GC42471@iclub.nsu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040302214022.GC42471@iclub.nsu.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" cc: James Read cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My planned work on networking stack (vimage) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:47:02 -0000 Hello! On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 03:40:22AM +0600, Max Khon wrote: > > The patch set is pretty extensive and intrusive and only for 4.x. Adding > > locking for 5.x would be a pretty nice challenge as well and not easy to > > get right for all cases. > > > > > This is one thing that I would like to use, without patching systems. But > > > then thats just my 'wish list' opinion of it. > > > > I think is makes more sense to get something like userland BSD. > > Userland BSD might need too many resources. > Think of hosting providers who run hundreds or thousands of virtual hosts > in a jail. Please take a look at commercial solutions like FreeVPS by H-Sphere > or Virtuozzo by SWSoft. I might add that having userland BSD is very useful feature. But from my experience with UML (User Mode Linux) I can say that it hardly can be useful for anything except development (kernel debugging, userland development for different kernel version etc.). /fjoe