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( [190.18.36.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm5087570qbe.2007.11.20.13.36.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47435348.7050109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:36:08 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sd=E4vtaker?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <20071120120010.0366E16A47D@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20071120120010.0366E16A47D@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Re: [alerts@infosecnews.org: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:00:55 -0000 freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org escribi=F3: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Gregory W. MacPherson wrote: >> > Perhaps if the *BSD community would mirror some of these behaviors t= hen >> > *BSD (which technically is superior to an LINUX) would receive this = type >> > of press. Perhaps...but not likely. >=20 > Let's discuss this here... My comments below. I remove the original=20 > content since I don't have permission to redistribute it. I will add some comments... >> > 1. Users Love It >=20 > FreeBSD doesn't offer a "fresh but familiar GUI environment" like Ubunt= u=20 > in its default install. Different ouside projects compete to do this wi= th=20 > different goals. I tried it, i didnt love it... Actually, it only ran in 1 PC at my=20 office, all others said "segmentation fault, kernel panic" because Via=20 micros are not supported (We got those in the desktops to save money...).= >> > 2. The Platform Has Excellent Support >=20 > No single company backs FreeBSD and there is no official source of=20 > commercial FreeBSD support contracts. (By the way, I have been providin= g=20 > professional FreeBSD contracts and support for over seven years.) There is no companies to Back FreeBSD, but there is a lot of people=20 backing *BSD projects and giving *BSD paid support. Plus, you got some big communities of mailling lists and stuff to ask. >> > 3. Cost Savings >=20 > Of course FreeBSD is free. As for SLA, see #2 above. As I see it, FreeBSD is even more free than Ubuntu since the BSD=20 license, I code all my projects under that kind of license, no=20 restrictions on the coding merge, GNU is too imperialist, "one day=20 everything will be GNU, becouse we got a damn recursive license" >> > 4. A Superlative Security Record >=20 > What studies? How can FreeBSD be evaluated by same studies? (Or has it?= ) >=20 > FreeBSD can say same (s/Linux/BSD Unix/). I wasnt going to reply this mail until i had read this one, oh man, i=20 couldnt contain my laugh!!!! Linux based distribution rated number one on security? did u try do the=20 test with OpenBSD, DragonFly or even Darwin? come on... Who was in that test? windows, linux and BeOS(not mantained since 5=20 years ago)? >> > 5. Frictionless Deployment >=20 > Depends on your needs. FreeBSD installs very fast and easy for many nee= ds.=20 > For other needs, it is very slow and tedious (depending on=20 > knowledge/experience). See #1. >=20 > Also this makes no sense to me. Different environments for testing,=20 > development and production to me usually has nothing to do with license= =20 > fees. Only thing becouse it is cheapa is becouse they dont code it, it is a=20 big bag with a lot of softwares from other projects, a big config setup=20 and a bootable CD, you can run PCBSD and you will have something like=20 that too. >> > 6. A Huge Selection of Applications and Tools >=20 > FreeBSD also has huge collection of packages. In Ubuntu (Debian) many=20 > software suites are divided up into multiple packages (clients, servers= ,=20 > development headers, shared libraries, documentation, etc.). >=20 > FreeBSD's default install is very light so is a good starting point for= =20 > many. What operating system doesnt have it? Minix? >> > 7. Thin Client Joy >=20 > FreeBSD can be a thin client and can be a thin client server. Cool you got an X-server... who doesnt? >> > 8. Unleash Your IT Talent >=20 > FreeBSD is open source and free and has community participation and=20 > collaboration. The source code and documentation changes can easily be = > evaluated. >=20 >> > 9. Access A Whole New Skills Pool ? Oh I see... They talking about linux coming to free the world... Just propaganda. >> > 10. Predictable Releases >=20 > Many like a consistent schedule for new releases. FreeBSD also has=20 > policies on how long to maintain previous releases. Note that FreeBSD b= ase=20 > and ports have different update policies. Depending on how FreeBSD=20 > updates are done, it can be easy. 100% agree. > Jeremy C. Reed Damian