From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 19 09:26:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25E8106564A; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lev@freebsd.org) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971018FC08; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:248b:b3cd:918d:d0d2]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5B3904AC1C; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:26:12 +0400 (MSD) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:26:07 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1923391409.20110819132607@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Adrian Chadd In-Reply-To: References: <810527321.20110819123700@serebryakov.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 09:26:13 -0000 Hello, Adrian. You wrote 19 =C1=D7=C7=D5=D3=D4=C1 2011 =C7., 13:06:27: >>> 3. Kernel features for complex network solutions (netgraph, carp, ipfw). >>> =9A =9AThe niche for routers & traffic analysis is still ours. It would= be >>> =9A =9Anice to take e.g. pfSense and agree with some vendor (Netgear, >>> =9A =9AD-Link, etc) to put on sale hardware with FreeBSD inside. >> =9AWhat about 10G routing? Here are reports about full-bandwidth 10G rou= ting on modern >> Intel NICs with Linux (and multi-core server), but I didn't see any >> such data for FreeBSD, and somebody says, that Intel drivers and >> network stack is not so good parallel in FreeBSD. I could say, that I have nothing to object to your message, I agree with you almost completely. Some notes below, but they are minor ones. > Linux works here because of two things: > * there's a heavy following of -users- who are -developers-, and As far as I understand (I could be wrong), there's many COMPANIES, which are USERS and hires (on-site, off-site -- it doesn't matter) DEVELOPERS. It is not a situation when users are exactly same persons as developers or vice versa, but they are linked together directly. > * there's enough developers who want these features in Linux, so they get= done. And there is enough users, who want and can pay to these developers. I don't think, that "independent (private, hobby, whatever) developers to independent users" ratio is better for Linux, that for FreeBSD :) But number of payed developers, of course, is much, much larger for Linux now. I have several FreeBSD users around me (they are not payed to be DEVELOPERS, sometimes they are payed to be ADMINS, sometimes it is their own non-profit systems, like mine), and everybody sent PR at least once, often with patches to solve problem. About 1/4 of my friends (yes, I have non-typical friends, I know) uses Linux on desktops, notebooks or servers, and most of them didn't send any bugreports, not to mention patches. --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov