From nobody Mon Apr 15 23:46:42 2024 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VJP2q5yh1z5HL2L for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 23:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [209.237.23.5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx5.roble.com", Issuer "mx5.roble.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VJP2q2dPMz4vrv for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 23:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from roble.com (roble.com [209.237.23.50]) by mx5.roble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106B619700D; Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:46:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=roble.com; s=rs060402; t=1713224802; bh=y/d84odmM6JLMW3SDIoT6oqYkiBkgmZcTa2GunNWOQk=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=lyzFFWKNeMjueURvz80xaSpkE5rRIPa+nvGBtak9Tf9glNCONfxB1BaWAcuroU9Xx RR6Adq0IaSVeI6M0EMbpUZ/1MxiG0mpkNyAHBxl/pHb9rK5WqWy956hsmMUjBiVyVG 2+3s9vZJWMBmzNKjszWyx92zIcI3XCoosi0iC+Rc= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:46:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: Chris cc: Lexi Winter , pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailwrapper In-Reply-To: <2dadf7ac48cb96fc3d503fcf45ca8fd0@bsdforge.com> Message-ID: <0969668s-7220-nr1p-803r-8po8s57rr28p@mx.roble.com> References: <2dadf7ac48cb96fc3d503fcf45ca8fd0@bsdforge.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:17403, ipnet:209.237.0.0/18, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VJP2q2dPMz4vrv Don't know about other MTAs but the most common, Postfix, doesn't need mailwrapper any more than does Sendmail. Roger > On 2024-04-15 14:08, Roger Marquis wrote: >>> i am working on a patch for mailwrapper, which i'd like to move from >>> FreeBSD-utilities to its own package. >> > .. >> >> Please don't, however, link anything to sendmail. Even it's author says >> sendmail should be deprecated. Despite the many hours some of us have >> put into sendmail.cf customizations this software is long past its >> effective deprecation date. > Please. Can we not turn this into a MTA v. MTA discussion? > Mailwrapper should handle all the MTAs supported by FreeBSD. Shouldn't > it? That's what it's used for. Right? :) > > --Chris >> >> Roger Marquis >> >> >>> however i'm a little stymied by usr.sbin/mailwrapper/Makefile[0], which >>> seems to do a few fairly odd things for the benefit of src users, such as >>> linking mailwrapper to either dma or sendmail if mailwrapper itself isn't >>> built. >>> >>> i'd like to significantly simplify the logic here so that if mailwrapper >>> is >>> enabled (${MK_MAILWRAPPER} == yes), it's always installed in the usual >>> place, and doesn't pretend to be dma or sendmail, and there is no special >>> handling depending on the value of ${MK_SENDMAIL} and ${MK_DMAGENT}. >>> >>> this might require some changes to either sendmail or dma (which of course >>> i'd test before submitting anything), but in principle, does this sound >>> like a reasonable idea? >>> >>> i am concious that many/most people don't use pkgbase yet and we shouldn't >>> break things for them, but this seems like an ideal to time to clean up >>> some of this legacy stuff. >>> >>> [0] https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/usr.sbin/mailwrapper/Makefile >>> > >