From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 17 14:52:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A450437B9ED for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14883; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:52:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpda14880; Tue Apr 18 07:51:57 2000 Message-ID: <01ce01bfa8b7$65f7e690$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: , "m l mack" References: <4.2.0.58.20000417132554.0094f740@mail.speakeasy.org> Subject: Re: newbies Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:53:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hear hear !!!!!!!!!!!! All those experts out there please take notice Someone new to a subject doesn't need to know about all the bells & whistles, provision of information suitable for an expert will only confuse them further. I believe that documentation should be prepared by the most junior person available and not some geek with 458 years experience .... at least then it will probably contain ALL the necessary steps. The basics of unix are for the most part extremely simple ... its only the documentation that makes it complicated. I've been working on an entry level install / configure text for members of our non-profit internet access group, and in its basic text form this reduces the information needed to some 7 pages of A4. I'm now putting together a picturebook format so that its even more explicit :) The document is intended to allow a total newbie with no prior experience of unix / linux / etc to install FreeBSD & configure it as a gateway, with sendmail, cuciopop, ppp, apache all working with no aggro in only an hour or two. ----- Original Message ----- From: "m l mack" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:34 AM Subject: newbies > Dear Sirs, > > As one who doesn't know Unix from Eunuchs, I beg you to consider this > teaching technique. Once, instruction books started out by walking you > through a number of everyday tasks you were going to have to master. It > wasn't until you got the basics down, that theory and structure were > introduced. These days theory always comes first which often leaves the > truly ignorant more lost than they were to begin with. If someone came out > with an old fashioned manual, I might be able to learn this. Please help me > get away from Windows. > > m l mack > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message