From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 2 17:11:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD837B9F7 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-223-10.s10.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.223.10] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13K8c0-0007Vo-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bffcdf$7c2f89a0$0adf7ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Doug Young" Cc: References: <06a801bffc9d$73c1a9c0$1600010a@pmr.com> <014e01bffcb8$7d46fed0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:12:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Exactly. I was just at some bookstores today - it's amazing the ever increasing documentation on Linux. But nary a FreeBSD book on the shelves. I have went so far as to buy Linux books (eg. by Kofler ) because they cover intro. concepts well. Still, I've been taking the propellorheads word though, that FreeBSD is "THE" OS for setting up one's own domain - that it's "THE" internet OS, I have seen some hacker/cracker pages explictly stating FreeBSD is ( when config. properly ) is a tough nut to crack ie. secure. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Young To: Steve Fagan ; ; 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view > I'm totally in favour of regular folks writing HOWTO docs, could never > understand > the logic of giving the job to propellorheads who write stuff that only > others of their ilk can comprehend. For some reason there appears to be a > taboo in FreeBSD against "step by step" instructions > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Fagan" > To: ; "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" > > Cc: "'Doug Young'" > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:19 AM > Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view > > > > Check out http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd > > > > One site I like. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" > > To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" > > Cc: "'Doug Young'" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 11:10 AM > > Subject: RE: new books, changing my pt. of view > > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. > > > > > > >My point was / is that there's nothing wrong with the reliability of > > > FreeBSD, > > > >however its badly lacking in usable "how to get blah working in 5 > steps" > > > >type documentation. If that issue could be properly resolved it would > > > certainly > > > >challenge Solaris / SCO etc The manual & Complete FreeBSD still lack a > > > >heap of the essential details needed to get stuff working quickly .... > to > > > get > > > >something unfamiliar working one has to read disjointed bits of this & > > bits > > > of > > > >that, attempt to piece the lot together so its halfway intelligible, > then > > > >post heaps of questions to the list and hope someone has been down the > > > exact > > > >same road recently and remembers how to solve the issue. That's maybe > OK > > > >for hackers with unlimited resources of time, but its not practical for > > > businesses > > > >who just need the thing working yesterday. > > > > > > You have hit the nail on the head. I have heard profressional UNIX > > > programmers complain about this same thing. > > > > > > I wonder if this gap could not be filled by a well designed web site. > > > Basically a 'What is' and 'How to' database. For example, if you wanted > > to > > > set up a firewall, search for 'firewall', and a list of the available > > > packages would be displayed with detailed layman descriptions of each > with > > > advantages and disadvantages, home web sites, and most importantly, step > > by > > > step setup instructions and maybe some troubleshooting guidliness pulled > > > from past messages. This would help 1) in finding the appropriate > package > > > for a given situation, and 2) in setting it up, which is always the > > hardest > > > part. The instructions would have to written to the lowest common > > > denomenator (like me). > > > > > > Let me know what you think about this. Perhaps it already exists??? If > > > not, it may be time for us 'newbies' to step up to the plate. > > > > > > ...Michael... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message