From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 12 19:08:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA06763 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from hwcn.org (main.hwcn.org [199.212.94.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06757 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hwcn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA26458; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00158; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: ac199@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek To: Terry Lambert cc: Tim Vanderhoek , jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fnord0: disabled, not probed. In-Reply-To: <199710130153.SAA09040@usr03.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > If he's going to ignore "disbled" messages in favor of "login", > then all he cares about is "login:". That means he can get any > number of messsages prior to "login:", and it won't matter. This > argues *for* "disabled" messages (they will be ingnored anyway). We never said he was ignoring "disabled" messages, but rather that he lacked the skills to retrieve the whole list of messages spewed forth. Our conclusion was then that it would be best only to print messages which could impact his ability to get to "login:". (Recall that if he has disabled devices he should already be aware of the possibility that his action negatively influenced his login ability). Of course, in one respect we have come full circle and you could now bring your "I bought a laptop" question back. I would suggest that if you bought a laptop so badly configured that it does not even reach a login: prompt, you should re-install FreeBSD, fresh. In fact, you should do that anyways. Who knows what booby traps have been set-up in the old OS. It would be reckless of FreeBSD to encourage people to do otherwise. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk