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Cc: Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org>, stable@freebsd.org,
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Subject: Re: ATA APM and NCQ support in FreeBSD atacontrol
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Mark Kirkwood wrote:
> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>>
>> I am too, but PRs that are 2 years old which include patches for severe
>> bugs that affect reliability of RAID is (in my opinion) not acceptable.
>> I've been spanked over saying this before ("you don't understand how
>> open source works"), but necessity easily supercedes idealism.
>>
>> Linux's libata has evolved very quickly and very well, and has multiple
>> eyes familiar with the code (in the case the author takes vacation,
>> etc.).  It has the upper hand here.
>>
>>   
> Linux has more eyes period, which helps a lot. In addition Linux has 
> more commercial sponsorship - having said that, I've no idea if libdata 
> development has had any such  sponsorship...
> 
> However. I do agree that we (that is FreeBSD) need more folks brave 
> enough to help Soren out with the (S)ATA layer - that means people like 
> you or me deciding to get our hands dirty with this code...
> 

I'm working on adding ATA/SATA support to CAM.

Scott