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Date:      Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:46:08 +0300
From:      Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
To:        Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r281129 - head/etc
Message-ID:  <20150410084608.GW8220@zxy.spb.ru>
In-Reply-To: <20150410083949.GA99728@FreeBSD.org>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 08:39:49AM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:20:49AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:32:30AM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:08:45AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> > > S> What benefits from switching to utf8 locale in 'default' login class?
> > > 
> > > Being on the same page as rest of the world?
> > 
> > What benfit from it?
> > What is rest of world?
> > Windows used UTF-16
> > Centos used en_US.UTF-8
> > Ubuntu used C
> 
> Ubuntu is also xx_YY.UTF-8 depending on one's regional settings, but that
> does not really matter.

Ubuntu cron don't have setting for LANG.

> > I don't see common locale for 'rest of the world'.
> 
> It's not about having "common locale" with the rest of the world, it's the
> other way around: UTF-8 is far superior to anything else, and that's why
> the world (sane part thereof) switched to it, earlier or later.
> 
> I was just as conservative as you Slawa, and was perfectly happy with KOI8,
> but really, it should go now.  It served us well, but in the multi-language
> world it has no place, for better or for worse.
> 
> The unfortunate fat that nvi(1) is truncating files merely means that we'd
> have to fix nvi(1), not further delay finally going to bed with UTF-8.

Having additional login class and improving support of utf-8 in application cover
all cases and can be backported to old versions of FreeBSD.



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