From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 10 08:46:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81656D64; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31675FCE; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1YgUZk-0000M7-CP; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:46:08 +0300 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:46:08 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Alexey Dokuchaev Subject: Re: svn commit: r281129 - head/etc Message-ID: <20150410084608.GW8220@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20150406085323.GL23643@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409215802.GY21982@hades.panopticon> <20150409220442.GQ8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150409232711.GZ21982@hades.panopticon> <20150409234026.GH1394@zxy.spb.ru> <20150410000259.GA21982@hades.panopticon> <20150410070845.GU8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150410073230.GE99375@FreeBSD.org> <20150410082049.GV8220@zxy.spb.ru> <20150410083949.GA99728@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150410083949.GA99728@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: "src-committers@freebsd.org" , Dmitry Marakasov , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , Garrett Cooper X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:46:11 -0000 On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 08:39:49AM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:20:49AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:32:30AM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:08:45AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > S> What benefits from switching to utf8 locale in 'default' login class? > > > > > > Being on the same page as rest of the world? > > > > What benfit from it? > > What is rest of world? > > Windows used UTF-16 > > Centos used en_US.UTF-8 > > Ubuntu used C > > Ubuntu is also xx_YY.UTF-8 depending on one's regional settings, but that > does not really matter. Ubuntu cron don't have setting for LANG. > > I don't see common locale for 'rest of the world'. > > It's not about having "common locale" with the rest of the world, it's the > other way around: UTF-8 is far superior to anything else, and that's why > the world (sane part thereof) switched to it, earlier or later. > > I was just as conservative as you Slawa, and was perfectly happy with KOI8, > but really, it should go now. It served us well, but in the multi-language > world it has no place, for better or for worse. > > The unfortunate fat that nvi(1) is truncating files merely means that we'd > have to fix nvi(1), not further delay finally going to bed with UTF-8. Having additional login class and improving support of utf-8 in application cover all cases and can be backported to old versions of FreeBSD.