From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 13 11:20:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B762ABA26 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.185.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4679Hb2jYwz3DVW for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: D2owwgYVM1ltDVWM6F_k9eigjab.uo0ULJFkApQLJnIa.L7nyJdXNQeQdY6qTHV gHxJhXe.2jV4Ht1VnfJFZxDPhd1VSEsmu.GDU8szs0XsaBDEX1P65kgUrMdxcq2bitMN3EBCGpzP 5v86ObbfsGQ455ALtCrT6S7nHV7te7z_7Ksw6UT7qvMOkzwr9tSDuV1QiCAjwmm1vtSyr5pqCIKk agXdW.aY9oIhvSgV8GaXV.CKo7BpXw.JfV8Y.X34vru47NHG5Fm2rkLDwF54cXa5KPKsE7jEJyM6 nW_g_.yzSIT5bdK.nTBhmk18e39DF0Z5t2w0mfQjU_2vDRdW7G_M1BEMF8aisGIIPS5.QxwFP9.o 5neo9lDXxQ.4JnXFU8Tv._FkGVxLKnRL8bi66vjNQLcUiG2zzbgA2I08yn0PQSdNkDK4XirXhtrL u3Sr8vmhdOydOC9eR7a0yoM4XrjK1rfZKHc_2FSChRkqGB3TOHosegWK7dp8v2C4UgT6a4SDr35w U8rHP1Uoj_KSZrxeSZoNdM9MQUX6kDUDDdtyCoZ8Rs8IdE1Ah6hsuU7isu5nfiBMTDceD1w84P9s ZEM04FgZ3vaj84I.SRhuPetGuEiHwdiMqF04R1gNxFuFkHj3QyjXAFakFqDgG6FwxwPEfZYhHOH6 Z4FzO5F4bb_yP9CZG37gTOx8haIFLsjvtp0q30TGbKntKw0._lq3dbpnDgjFU_p57gPzylFFlFD9 XVgAmmRrKneM6BXemR_pF8A7ToDEYy6iJcrHgTZL39EpCcVSBlx7Nl3XbIjT9ZIej7sASQlhY1ru U3c8QeolrFk5pmgaIz3043bTbhONNXTBk6yk6f5zYnmZ3Uq3hOqgesXafstSQ2fJARng59.Tzpzs b68Ff.RkQtWUhY9sraEhH2gWvGqbKUcHb.PhPnESCEdKgbGsa1arl74o6ayJWWYNeM7D4GB7msik Et8n1JErTxHUnSZDaqtlZ7Qfa3U_uSmCcGzY9vPNyh6hyXVDsvgyuGNElRE5dnA5GtVHUU6kSsKe LPcnWtdCTrW1QGolkCcPIYfSDkiyf.f2LtvN0nrC.7OByqhbGmcV8ZSHm5_wosclugMKpO9PEf5B SDRkJ187kwP93DpWCZtwuSFY_xkW05Q4Rsd9Kw18.Qk51yF900VFRk5V44OtFs_UBmTjCzb3QdPW D_O7.Qbj2gp3VNWx461WBy8fbwUt.dMdADbiytffH71EXz6J.Zq4..2KLw4rFTJbsOVBtFZ6h8.A SnRHGBaTlycRNUut3VTpUS0s- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:19:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, hw Message-ID: <768650735.4676355.1565695184448@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> Subject: Re: Firefox or what? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.14097 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4679Hb2jYwz3DVW X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.940,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.938,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.821,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[146.185.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (5.04), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.27), asn: 36646(1.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:20:29 -0000 Hi, Sadly, I don't believe you to be technically astute in that you seem to hav= e issues with everything that work 'out of the box' in FreeBSD.=C2=A0 I lov= e FreeBSD for exactly what it is:=C2=A0 highly stable, highly functional, p= roperly engineered, with very few 'issues' especially all the ones that you= describe as 'BAD'.=C2=A0 It's strange that Apple, NetApp, Isilon, Sony, et= c who I consider some pretty technically astute corporations, decided to go= in the direction of FreeBSD, due to the reasons I list above, and don't ha= ve these same issues.=C2=A0 I believe you need to troubleshoot what YOU are= doing wrong.=C2=A0 Or, again, please do uninstall FreeBSD because you seem= to be a troll and Linux fanboy. I make my living contracting out on CentOS and RHEL.=C2=A0 Quite frankly, t= hey are pathetic.=C2=A0 I'm happy they are so pathetic in that if it was Fr= eeBSD, it would probably take me half the time to build, configure, deploy = and get various apps working.=C2=A0 Also, the ongoing patching of everythin= g?=C2=A0 Really?=C2=A0 How many bugs are found in their OS in a year? 200+= =C2=A0 Windows, 400+?=C2=A0 FreeBSD < 20.=C2=A0=20 Oh, let me guess, so few bugs because 'no one uses it'?=C2=A0 Yeah, heard t= hat before. Apologies to the list, but this guy's has been taking up serious bandwidth = for the last two weeks on non-existent issues.=C2=A0 He makes a statement a= bout something not working and 5-10 respond 'works for me'.=C2=A0 That's th= e pattern of a troll.=C2=A0 I urge everyone to please stop responding unles= s he can come up with specific details on how he built things, what he did,= etc.=C2=A0 I don't believe anyone who can read could ever have these probl= ems unless there's a scar on his head or a lobotomy puncture near his eye. P. On Monday, August 12, 2019, 11:38:10 AM EDT, hw wrote: = =20 =20 Hi, does any of the Firefox versions that can be installed with pkg actually work?=C2=A0 Firefix continues to freeze, crash, being unable to remember its settings, to not show up at all when starting it other than in the process list, and it usually can't be killed even with kill -9. 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ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:52.28.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:31:05 -0000 On 2019-08-12 15:33, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:41:01 +1000, MJ wrote: >> What? So you propose typing 4 characters rather than three? Heathen. >> >> In unix systems, brevity is the king. >> >> :-) > > Depends on your language and keyboard layout. On a german > keyboard, for a \, you need Alt Gr + ß?\, but ' is more > convenient: Shift + #'. Keep your fingers healthy. ;-) On the other hand, in [t]csh (FreeBSD standard, right?:-) ' does *not* quote !, i.e. you *have* to use \: pluto 1> echo '!11' 11: Event not found. pluto 2> echo \!11 !11 So I guess using \ could at least be considered "safer" or "more portable"... --Per Hedeland