From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 02:31:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B1F37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676D743F3F for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18zDcW-0006ES-0D; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:28 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.235.112.87]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18zDcT-1UnSHwC; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:25 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TAVUG12790; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TAUw378946; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:31:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200303291031.h2TAUw378946@flip.jhs.private> To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jeremy <20030329073813.GA24683@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:30:57 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: cvs-cur X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:31:41 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 03:43:06PM +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: > >PS I have no idea how many people use ctm nowadays. Do we have an count? > postmaster@freebsd.org should be able to tell you how many people are > on the various mailing lists. An accurate count of people downloading > from the FTP sites would take more effort but could probably be derived > from the FTP server logs. Difficult to count: To avoid under counting, one would need logs from all offical mirrors (even if we ignore unofficial & behind firwall mirrors). To avoid over counting, we'd need to avoid double counting people like me, that ftp a few but not all deltas from a local mirror each time the local mail system loses a delta or piece. I also use different email addresses to ftp, & assume some others do that too. Some of those too-big-for-the-mail-system deltas we occasionally ftp manually might give a better index than the smaller via mail deltas, but then again, maybe people manually download those once then share with local friends, though getting their own small deltas direct via ftp or ctm-rmail. I've known others in lurker mode who never say a word on the lists, just download blocks of ctm deltas when they have the urge, time & bandwidth. I think I've also seen CDROMs with CTM collections on (maybe FreeX or elsewhere, can't remember). Sorry to add nothing but uncertainty ! :-) Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren.