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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:39:15 -0500
From: Glenn Johnson <glennpj@charter.net>
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On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 02:20:02AM -0400, Mike Makonnen wrote:

> On Thu, 29 May 2003 00:35:32 -0500 Dan Nelson
> <dnelson@allantgroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> > The real problem is in the kernel, though.  A userland non-root
> > process should not be able to hard lock the system.  One of the
> > threads people will probably have to get an SMP machine to be able
> > to debug it.
>
>
> Upon first reading it I had assumed he meant gnome locked up. Can you
> confirm this Glenn? Is the machine itself locked solid (no ping, no
> ssh, not vtys, etc)?  However, even if that is the case a bug in the
> kernel does not preclude a bug in libthr.

The machine locks up solid.  I can not do anything with it except hit   
the reset button.  I mentioned gnome because gnome will trigger the     
lock up.  I would imagine I would see the same thing with kde however.  

-- 
Glenn Johnson
glennpj@charter.net