From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 4 12:13:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4C537B401 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9643FAF for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0293.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.38] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19COvI-0002ON-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 12:13:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3EB56607.45A80684@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:12:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdterm@HotPOP.com References: <3EB3C118.6020203@octopus.com.au> <3EB450E0.9060702@octopus.com.au> <200305040608.34215.bsdterm@HotPOP.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a45e31fa7209a8cb0132691b5d6f966e2c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Duraid Madina Subject: Re: Floppy Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:13:28 -0000 bsdterm@HotPOP.com wrote: > As a near-junior CS major in college presently out-of-work, I can certainly > echo the "not everyone can afford fresh new hardware" line. :) I'd happily > run a P3 or P4 w/ 256MB+ if I could, but... > > Anyway, getting on-topic: from what media is FreeBSD bootable? We can boot > from floppy and CD now, obviously. What about USB memory keys (i.e. those > $20+ USB plugs with 16MB+ memory onboard)? Or Firewire HDD's? Zip disks? Last time I checked, you had to have BIOS support for booting from USB to use one of those USB dongle deals, and most people don't have that support because it's not really standardized yet. Same problem with USB CDROM drives. Last time I checked, Firewire was in the same boat. I have successfully booted from SCSI Syquest, JAZZ, and Zip disks, no problem. However, you cannot install Windows onto removable media, laast time I checked, because of a bug in the VMM.VXD code (the virtual memory manager) in Windows. I finally dragged this out of Microsoft Support, and they refunded my tech support incident. > Most BIOS' I've run across lately will boot only from floppy, IDE HDD, or > CD/DVD. Most-recently - with a P4 box I built for my mother - IIRC, USB > devices are now an option as well... This is a BIOS thing, not a FreeBSD thing. If your BIOS boot code supports USB, then it does; I've personally never found one that actually worked like it was supposed to work, at least not for booting from any of the USB devices I can get my hands on without playing "buy more USB hardware roulette". > Floppy support isn't desireable or preferable, but for the sake of users > not-so-fiscally-well-endowed as others here, I believe it's necessary. It's also better than having to download a full ISO image over a 28K modem. 8-) 8-). A limited network install is much less data to transfer over a slow link. -- Terry