From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 28 16: 3:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105A37B831 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-221-206.s206.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.221.206] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12wC5E-0001Qs-00; Sun, 28 May 2000 19:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfc8f9$013844e0$cedda4d8@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: "Doug Young" Cc: References: <000501bfc8f2$e3ea30c0$cedda4d8@leegold1> <003f01bfc8f4$f5a59c30$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Subject: Re: any good books? Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:03:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Whilst I agree with you in principle, as do many people new to both unix & > FreeBSD,> there have been countless similar comments over the years and nothing much> has changed.> Well thats not strictly correct ... there have been a few attempts at> creating intelligible docs,> but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any attempt at recording where> they all are. > However the ONLY way I can see any improvement is to stop complaining & do something yeah, you're right. one thing, that caught me off guard was the lack of support for the newer video cards. i got a shiny new card - highly rated - that's not x86 supported. typical newbie blunder. got me peaved. i've taken a mess of programming, computer- college level courses, nothing i've seen is as tuff a nut to crack as unix sysadmin. And that's what's happening - FreeBSD and maybe to a lesser extent Linux, requires the USER to become their own sysadmins. and that ain't easy my friend. think about it. > positive about improving things ...... its obvious that the experts don't > perceive the need for step_by_step docs, but the compliments I've received from my attempts to> produce something> a bit more newbie-friendly clearly demonstrate the need for similar stuff.> My main problem is lack of time ..... if any other newbies feel inclined to assist I would appreciate their comments. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "leegold" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: any good books? > > > > imo, i have not seen any what i would call good documentation for fbsd > (and > > linux) for the neophyte. of course it could be that i am stupid and do not > > have the mental capacity to understand the documentation (of course it > > would help if walnut creek had not sent me ver 4.0 w/the complete bsd > book - > > since their are signbificant changes in the install from 3.x.x ), but all > > documentation i see assumes sysadmin level knowledge. plus most levels of > > conversation also assumes pro level knowledge. > > > > plus, most doucumentation and support i hsve seen so far in the open/fee > > software realm is either incomplete ( sometimes only a cheesy/lazily > written > > readme.txt), or assumes some mystic divination on the part of the user > > again maybe i'm just stupid), or prof/ sysadmin knowledge. > > > > So in a nutshell, i think there there are NO good intro books on any > flavor > > of x86 unix.. they all suck - i can't fathom any of the hundred or so i've > > seen on linux or freebsd. > > > > when documenting try a tree stucture, then any of the deviations of the > path > > will take care of themselves - naw -that would make to much sense. > > > > guess i must be a stupid mofo. > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message