From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 12 20:36:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A48F1065670 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattjeet@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974588FC0A for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhm6 with SMTP id hm6so4762375wib.1 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZLYr1HksG20iZ8S/eN+VPlbp2OysIb0/zwvoyq2QErw=; b=kIj3yYU30DWyVwRP1uC+1qeeu5jYe9t0An830sWIxjijfV+DawHAg04cQp86hcsfJo cHvmA7RTVbit09ubNdVUVclVMo02z26YH5ycWLuSIdbKhX3WcAg6n6dJ/JJNliBTOWC0 qykPJA1UjWEM5FAF9pDHcolI2xeelKKZitmE6/C/xIQZaqy6JT3bmmRQosWWTfXniAdl PlhWCYGO5Fh3OsvdT8mK0gNyJyPT9c6OoTl5C4r6ogzkaS5QzXg2O9HW9oT0nGXx47gr SpFoVNBnGREK/EE0J+MA32Fe4RlD1OMLoT7KETjpM+pTOdSJu6b5w7gE/nAfCIie1cKD f6dQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.7.133 with SMTP id j5mr32192452wia.14.1339533407702; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mattjeet@gmail.com Received: by 10.223.155.130 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120612011645.GA7807@lonesome.com> <20120612151746.GA33004@DataIX.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:36:47 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hLgAQj2-40NVDdDWnHxbsY20e28 Message-ID: From: Matt Olander To: John Kozubik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon Subject: Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matt@ixsystems.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:36:55 -0000 On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, John Kozubik wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > >>>> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 >>>> listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? >>> >>> >>> Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that is on the table >>> is the one for 9.1. >>> >> >> Release 8.3 (April 2012) has it really been 6 months yet! > > > > We (rsync.net) are deploying our new ZFS based platform on FreeBSD. =A0Th= is is > a platform that needs to be live in just a few weeks.[1] > > We only run release software. =A0Further, I don't think anyone will fault= us > for steering clear of 9.0-RELEASE. =A09.1 is probably four months away. > > So our choices are 8, which has no roadmap, and 9 which doesn't exist. > > On the one hand, we've made this choice before, when we invested hundreds= of > thousands of dollars into equipment, code, training, etc. for 6.4. We've > successfully amortized this investment over the past 4-5 years, but not > without a lot of pain. =A0The past 24 months has been a lot of custom wor= k, > backporting drivers, etc. =A0We don't want to repeat this. > > On the other hand, we're not going to debut a new platform, to customers = all > over the world, on 9.0. > > So ... how about a kickstarter, since that's all the rage ? =A0What would= a > reasonable total be, donated to the FreeBSD foundation, that would ensure > the maintenance of the 8.x branch for another 3 years (say, Dec 31, 2015) > and out to (to pick an arbitrary number) 8.10 ? > > Just a thought ... > > > [1] After years of evaluation and testing, spanning 6.x - 8.x. Hey John, So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and find out what it will take. We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're not the only people with the problem, obviously. Cheers, -matt