From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 15:14:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FE91065676 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vulpes.vvelox.net (vulpes.vvelox.net [99.69.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB128FC0C for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net (vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net [192.168.15.2]) (Authenticated sender: kitsune) by vulpes.vvelox.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1897D3F62E; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:16:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:16:42 -0500 From: "Zane C. B-H." To: Alexander Yerenkow Message-ID: <20120603101642.10310505@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net> In-Reply-To: References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> <4FC9DC69.6090907@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4FC9F245.8030300@digsys.bg> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:14:50 -0000 On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:07:23 +0300 Alexander Yerenkow wrote: > I'll try to be short. > I'm using FreeBSD both at servers and as a desktop, but I see > struggling of my friends with it in some things. > > 1. Ports mess. You can very easily render system unusable, or broken > if you trying to use latest ports. And then you had to became "a > port master" to fix all. Of course you need a lot of free time, > right? :) This is not a FreeBSD specific issue. Regardless of the OS in question, one needs to make sure to run it all in a test environment first before pushing it out. > 2. No decent packet manager (I hope pkgng will make life > easier). You can't just upgrade this and that packet and see what's > new, and rollback if you don't like somthing . Actually rolling back is completely possible as the ports tree is in a vcs. Just roll back to the last working version of a port you are having issues with and make sure it is set to not be updated next time up update the tree. > 3. "FreeBSD is not a linux" - so FreeBSD avoid linuxisms, like KMS > etc. And when it became crystal clear that progress is inevitable, > we need wait few more years to get new graphics working. Some time > ago, I read somewhere on wiki proud phrase "We are more linux than > linux itself", it was about LSB test or something similar. FreeBSD > can deny linux ways, but it's here, and it's widespread standard > (at least in comparing with FreeBSD). FreeBSD do really need those > fancy new techs, at least which related to X/hardware. XEN is one > more thing, which could be attractive, but there's not much > progress. I don't say let's rewrite all as in linux. I'm saying > about having copatibility layer a bit fresher. This is question of time of the people involved. I can't say I've seen any one saying new features like KMS should not be added because it is to Linux like. >