From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 12 01:08:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D0116A4BF; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (mailgate.nlsystems.com [80.177.232.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDBF43F93; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8C87hgs008802; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:07:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) From: Doug Rabson To: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20030911.153430.91755961.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <1063213147.26798.1.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> <20030911.153430.91755961.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1063354063.5536.10.camel@herring.nlsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.0 Date: 12 Sep 2003 09:07:43 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_XIMIAN version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When to burn those bridges X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:08:06 -0000 On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 22:34, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <1063213147.26798.1.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> > Doug Rabson writes: > : My feeling about that was always that the hostb driver provides > : absolutely no added value in the system. When I was developing agp > : originally, I just nuked it and kldloading agp.ko worked just fine. > > is that true even on systems with multiple host bridges? Yes. The host bridges are normally either attached as pcib devices to the nexus or handled by acpi. The hostb driver just matches against the pci devices during the toplevel pci scan and then quietens the attach so that the user doesn't appear to see the device twice.