From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 24 11:49:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137CD106568D; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mavbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084D18FC1B; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1798187bwz.13 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CkDt7KHNLROE+C/0J70nL6Xhhn+hh6cYEgCZ+qPnKDk=; b=vJucIhyXn2pK+sHYS78lYLbKFYiC0SZBlOgyagSNJUBi3rIvQtByN4a3GQYxOmi9IS ffAQ/Ie8PDbFIndReq3smg5chrAAKSgOrveEalmbxw9KpdkgKK/Y1hTBE/ttuhJShP8B Vozss2tWm4ns13hnYS31Wy0RDj/3TXr97L834= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U/Xu68zQNL8McL7AfY/5iL6wukUW+YWhV+YCKFrj5aSw8unM/h/C5hx0HDnnqJiqRO /ULvvO+CfCdhYI3mL+BEcUdMHoZO4WhnuLZpyYQD5V/jA6flFlHF8eascMbhCLgXZ8YK trwxwgsKr6taNgTB8aIhIvYqfoqTvCXTzaxPU= Received: by 10.204.7.156 with SMTP id d28mr2545076bkd.28.1303645756650; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mavbook.mavhome.dp.ua (pc.mavhome.dp.ua [212.86.226.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c11sm2705938bkc.2.2011.04.24.04.49.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Alexander Motin Message-ID: <4DB40E39.5090905@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:49:13 +0300 From: Alexander Motin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110310 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: <201104240858.p3O8wwqT024628@svn.freebsd.org> <77FE817D-D548-4B79-A64B-C890D94323B9@FreeBSD.org> <4DB40026.5030405@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r220982 - in head: . sys/amd64/conf sys/arm/conf sys/conf sys/i386/conf sys/ia64/conf sys/mips/conf sys/mips/malta sys/pc98/conf sys/powerpc/conf sys/sparc64/conf sys/sun4v/conf X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:49:19 -0000 On 24.04.2011 14:00, Robert Watson wrote: > On Sun, 24 Apr 2011, Alexander Motin wrote: >>> Are you going to address that on updating magic will make it work >>> within the next 2-4 weeks? >> >> s/ad[0-9]+/ada0/ should fit 90%. A bit more sophisticated script >> should fit most. In what place should I put that magic? >> >>> If you will not then thanks for screwing 50% of our users and please >>> back this out again. >> >> Reverting is not an option. _Constructive_ propositions are welcome. > > It is the policy of this project that the release engineering team has > final authority over what ships in a release. It is entirely within > scope to revert this change for 9.0 if issues with the upgrade path are > not addressed. My hope also that this path can be entirely avoided > through a rapid addressing of upgrade path issues that have been known > (and discussed on the mailing lists extensively) since you posted about > the work on the public mailing lists. > > I agree with Bjoern that it is critical to address these issues in a > timely manner -- our users depend on reliable and easy upgrades, and it > seems (on face value) that significant work remains to be done to make > that possible. Our release is increasingly close, and it's important we > keep the tree as stable as possible so that merges of other straggling > features can go uneventfully. I am asking for excuse if my tone was overly strict. It was not my real intention to offend anybody. May be inside I am indeed overreacting a bit on proposition to revert with no alternative things that I have put my heart into, which are broadly accepted by users, which I announced on the list few days ago and got no objections. I am sorry for that. I do worry about possible complications during migration process. And obviously this is not an easy question, as soon as it wasn't solved during so much time. I will gladly accept any help or real ideas people can provide. I just don't like to feel it my own problem. I am not doing it for myself. It would be nice to see some friendly support instead. Thank you. -- Alexander Motin