Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 18:17:30 -0800 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: cem@freebsd.org,Conrad Meyer <cem@freebsd.org>,Sidju <lists@sidju.se> Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: nosh init system Message-ID: <C6CB9E70-2477-4D9D-A105-75B314C6DBB0@cschubert.com> In-Reply-To: <CAG6CVpXy4q16QhG1ycFnVZ8cgEfb%2BpS8tmPJykv8Wa-GthginQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <c8sxY3L8OrRosQ0UdftF6FrqHGRs_uJal0l7YlID7b_xwVG05yeU8DGoS78wo5089zww5pDdvbM_gwCkXxCVjaPYiDS-kNJLxN7b9iGwfxk=@sidju.se> <CAG6CVpXy4q16QhG1ycFnVZ8cgEfb%2BpS8tmPJykv8Wa-GthginQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On February 8, 2019 1:51:16 PM PST, Conrad Meyer <cem@freebsd=2Eorg> wrote: >Hi Sidju, > >On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:52 PM Sidju via freebsd-hackers ><freebsd-hackers@freebsd=2Eorg> wrote: >> I might be missing something since I have only been in the group for >a few months, but is anyone looking at the "nosh" init system ( >https://jdebp=2Eeu/Softwares/nosh/ )? > >Not that I know of=2E > >> From what I have read there is some talk of writing a new init >system; is nosh known to be bad in some way or just obscure (it did >take me a decent while to find)? > >It's good to be use precise terminology when discussing these things, >because confusion can lead to the wrong idea and pedantic arguments=2E >To be clear, FreeBSD isn't missing an *init*, which serves to launch >pid 2 and reap zombies=2E We're missing a half-decent service >management system=2E On Linux, systemd performs both roles=2E On >FreeBSD, init(8) serves one role, and rc(8) is a tiny subset of a real >service management system like systemd=2E > >(I think the piece we would consider replacing or supplementing would >be rc(8)=2E Part of that might be migrating some responsibilities from >pid 1 to pid 2, such as spawning gettys=2E I don't hold strong opinions >about that=2E) > >Nosh may be useful for inspiration (and portions may be used directly; >it's MIT and BSD licensed)=2E I haven't taken a thorough look at it, >and I don't know of anyone else who has either=2E I don't believe it is >suitable to be dropped in (for a host of reasons, not all technical), >but I could be persuaded I am mistaken=2E > >Best regards, >Conrad >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hackers@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" I've been partial to Solaris (illumos) smf, started by init (through thei= r sysv inittab)=2E CDDL may not be palatable to some but if we could I'd co= nsider it again=2E --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy=2ESchubert@cschubert=2Ecom> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD=2Eorg> Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E
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